[Alf]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

First off it's called Empathy, how would you feel about it if people were leading such a campaign against a recently deceased member of your family? Would you like it if someone was laughing at you because you lost someone you loved? You wouldn't like it at all, so why condone it?

Just because someone treats you badly it doesn't give you the right to treat their family horribly, doing that just makes you as bad as them, in fact it makes you worse.

It's just tacky and undignified. Like seriously, have some self respect, people who are acting with glee about it are just making themselves look like dicks.

I didn't see you giving this sort of passionate sympathy for Jimmy Savile's family.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by wannashag

I didn't see you giving this sort of passionate sympathy for Jimmy Savile's family.

I think you are confusing me with someone else, I don't think I've ever said anything about Jimmy Saville except that I wouldn't judge him without knowing all the details before everything came to light. I don't think I've mentioned him since?

My views seem to cause such a volatile reaction in you that you are forgetting who said what.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I think you are confusing me with someone else, I don't think I've ever said anything about Jimmy Saville except that I wouldn't judge him without knowing all the details before everything came to light. I don't think I've mentioned him since?

My views seem to cause such a volatile reaction in you that you are forgetting who said what.

Where have i been volatile? i'm not the one lecturing people and calling them dicks because they want to rejoice that she's dead.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

First off it's called Empathy, how would you feel about it if people were leading such a campaign against a recently deceased member of your family? Would you like it if someone was laughing at you because you lost someone you loved? You wouldn't like it at all, so why condone it?

Just because someone treats you badly it doesn't give you the right to treat their family horribly, doing that just makes you as bad as them, in fact it makes you worse.

It's just tacky and undignified. Like seriously, have some self respect people who are acting with glee about it are just making themselves look like dicks.

First off it has been accepted by the metropolitan police that there is a democratic right to protest.
Quite frankly I feel the rest of your post is laughable, seriously if after all the testimony, facts and opinion across these threads I find it hard to believe why anyone who has a view would be called a 'dick'?
We all have a perspective, I appreciate you don't see why some feel passionately enough to take to the streets.
However, those who do choose to demonstrate have the right to be heard, using the funeral of the person that you feel is the the root cause of the problems we currently face may seem extreme... it is though representative of feeling across the UK.

[Brother Leon]

Originally Posted by wannashag

I didn't see you giving this sort of passionate sympathy for Jimmy Savile's family.

Originally Posted by Ninastar

these comparisons are laughable

Not really. What did Savile's family do after all?

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Brother Leon

Not really. What did Savile's family do after all?

sorry, i didn't realise that music was bought in jest of his death

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

First off it has been accepted by the metropolitan police that there is a democratic right to protest.
Quite frankly I feel the rest of your post is laughable, seriously if after all the testimony, facts and opinion across these threads I find it hard to believe why anyone who has a view would be called a 'dick'?
We all have a perspective, I appreciate you don't see why some feel passionately enough to take to the streets.
However, those who do choose to demonstrate have the right to be heard, using the funeral of the person that you feel is the the root cause of the problems we currently face may seem extreme... it is though representative of feeling across the UK.

What's there to protest? She's dead, she can't change anything now.

People are not protesting, they are rejoicing over someone dying and nothing can change that fact. You can keep dressing it up as something noble but in the end you're laughing at a dead old woman who is beyond caring now. The only people getting hurt are her family.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

What's there to protest? She's dead, she can't change anything now.

People are not protesting, they are rejoicing over someone dying and nothing can change that fact. You can keep dressing it up as something noble but in the end you're laughing at a dead old woman who is beyond caring now. The only people getting hurt are her family.

Better expressed than I've been able to say so far.

[Jack_]

Just because she's dead it doesn't mean her legacy is over, in fact it's anything but and is growing year by year. She might be dead but her ideology lives on, and as she is to blame for instigating it, who else are we supposed to discuss and direct the hatred towards? Of course politicians and parties in existence now are part of the problem, but Thatcher started Thatcherism, no one else.

I'm not rejoicing at the fact she is dead, to me it doesn't change anything, but I can certainly understand why some who are worse off than me and lived through her time in office are celebrating. She wouldn't have cared anyway, she was hardly the most compassionate woman - someone raised a good point on Question Time last night, I think if she knew some people weren't protesting and celebrating her passing, and that she hadn't divided the nation once again, she'd be thoroughly disappointed. As for her family, they'll have had decades to prepare for this and I'm pretty sure they'll have heard pretty awful things about her in the past anyway, it comes with the territory. Right now I'm sure they are most concerned about the impending funeral and supporting one another, not internet campaigns and inevitable protests. We're talking about Margaret Thatcher, not Betty from number 2 down the road.

[GypsyGoth]

I agree.

Filling yourself with pettiness and bitterness is only damaging yourself. Rejoicing in the death of another will have no effect on them since they're dead. If the rejoicing is a way to release some of the pent up bitterness, I think it only passes on ill feeling and continues cycles.

I think forgiving is much more beneficial. That way you can release the bad feelings you harbour for someone and you can move on.

[Ninastar]

these comparisons are laughable

[Locke.]

Youtube video

[Brother Leon]

Originally Posted by Locke.

Youtube video

. Studio version should of been made and put on iTunes if they were going to have go through the trouble of a campaign tbh.

Imagine the BBC then

[Locke.]

Great work Omah

[MTVN]

Good old Maggie

[Marsh.]

"When Margaret Thatcher dies"?

Did the scousers not get the memo? She is dead.

[Locke.]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

"When Margaret Thatcher dies"?

Did the scousers not get the memo? She is dead.

Months ago

[Josy]

The protest tomorrow/today was arranged 20+ years ago wasnt it?

The feelings of resentment these people have about her and her policies are so strong that they wont disappear immediately just because she's died and I'm pretty sure all the praise she's been receiving in the media these past few days will be making it even worse, so they are no doubt using these protests as a means of releasing it all.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Josy

The protest tomorrow/today was arranged 20+ years ago wasnt it?

The feelings of resentment these people have about her and her policies are so strong that they wont disappear immediately just because she's died and I'm pretty sure all the praise she's been receiving in the media these past few days will be making it even worse, so they are no doubt using these protests as a means of releasing it all.

This outpouring of all the tributes from people,many who actually were glad to see the back of her but who are now going on as if she was a paragon of virtue and a near Saint.
They are by far as sickening as anyone who has stuck to their principles and the feelings they have that she was a woman not to be particularly honoured.

Why should peoples opinions have to change,when they have likely learned of and even seen the devastation brought to their communities and families from her time in power.

I have said, I have nothing against her but I am already sick of this gushing of what I see as false sentiment from loads of clearly 2 faced people who at the first opportunity when she was alive, destroyed all her hopes and all she still hoped to do herself in politics.
What sheer hypocrisy.

I think I have more admiration for those who have stood by their principles that didn't like her.
Why on earth should they have to shut up while this artificial kind of canonisation takes place as to her.

She was a strongly divisive figure, she loved creating and dealing with confrontation it seems, now she has died,taht division remains.
Of course respect the dead but this funeral and all that has gone on this week, even the recall of Parliament is absolutely ridiculous in my opinion, as is taxpayers sharing any costs of her funeral.
It is as if attempts to brainwash everyone into believing the Woman was a Saint is taking place.

I just find this whole preparation and the events of the PM rushing back from Europe, spending more time in the commons than he likely has done before for her 'tribute day' nauseating.

I could have understood it more had she still been a serving PM or just retired,no sorry that should be just been sacked by her party.
However, after over 20 years on from being PM, for goodness sake, this is ridiculous and even more so in these economic times.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

This outpouring of all the tributes from people,many who actually were glad to see the back of her but who are now going on as if she was a paragon of virtue and a near Saint.
They are by far as sickening as anyone who has stuck to their principles and the feelings they have that she was a woman not to be particularly honoured.

Why should peoples opinions have to change,when they have likely learned of and even seen the devastation brought to their communities and families from her time in power.

I have said, I have nothing against her but I am already sick of this gushing of what I see as false sentiment from loads of clearly 2 faced people who at the first opportunity when she was alive, destroyed all her hopes and all she still hoped to do herself in politics.
What sheer hypocrisy.

I think I have more admiration for those who have stood by their principles that didn't like her.
Why on earth should they have to shut up while this artificial kind of canonisation takes place as to her.

She was a strongly divisive figure, she loved creating and dealing with confrontation it seems, now she has died,taht division remains.
Of course respect the dead but this funeral and all that has gone on this week, even the recall of Parliament is absolutely ridiculous in my opinion, as is taxpayers sharing any costs of her funeral.
It is as if attempts to brainwash everyone into believing the Woman was a Saint is taking place.

I just find this whole preparation and the events of the PM rushing back from Europe, spending more time in the commons than he likely has done before for her 'tribute day' nauseating.

I could have understood it more had she still been a serving PM or just retired,no sorry that should be just been sacked by her party.
However, after over 20 years on from being PM, for goodness sake, this is ridiculous and even more so in these economic times.

Great points.

[Marsh.]

It seems humour is lost on some people.

[Brother Leon]

Silly scousers always behind when it comes to current events.

[Jack_]

Just finished watching a great documentary on the miners strike of 1984

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ubgig29l4k

Really highlights some of the appalling police brutality and it is so depressing to witness working class people turning on other working class people oh, and just when I thought I couldn't despise Kelvin MacKenzie anymore, he appears in this, and his contributions are truly repulsive. What an odious ******.

[Kizzy]

It is and notable is the change in title when there is a conservative government from a police 'service' to a police 'force'...
Divide and conquer has always been the motive behind their policies as far as I'm concerned.
Funny how the onus is the watering down of her influence on the now diseased face of the UK.

“The most effective way to destroy people is to deny and obliterate their own understanding of their history.”
― George Orwell

[lostalex]

Let's all look on the bright side. At least no British person can ever say that they have a more civilized, less polarized democracy than the US. If we've learned nothing else at least we've learned this.