[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...and actually and taking about female roles as well...what the holy heck was Demi Moore doing in tidying his apartment because he was too lazy and his guests were tripping over things....pick the stuff up and throw it at him, Demi...or put him in the cupboard so he can think about cupboard use-age ....

agree

[Bollo]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...oh, going back to what you said, Bollo, as well....Tom Cruise...?..I think he’s stepped outside his box as it were for a few of his characters..I can’t quite recall which ones atm...maybe in The Firm was one...?...but on the whole though, different movie/same character with him and quite often having that ‘smug’ quality that’s just so annoying...also in A Few Good Men, his character was trying to be smug as well to wind Jack Nicholson up to expose himself...so, already smug and adding smug in....eeeek....still a good movie, though...

Yeah I get what you mean there are ,of course exceptions and I haven't watched all of his movies, maybe only 15 or so? but the only one that i ever really enjoyed was Vanilla Sky which was a remake ...

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Bollo

Yeah I get what you mean there are ,of course exceptions and I haven't watched all of his movies, maybe only 15 or so? but the only one that i ever really enjoyed was Vanilla Sky which was a remake ...

...I googled his movies because I could only recall a few tbh...I was looking for some less smug/annoying characters..?....and there aren’t that many......obviously a few storylines haven’t allowed for that smugness because of the nature of the storyline and Vanilla Sky is probably one of those...and I recall thinking he was ok in Knight and Day and that it was really quite entertaining....strangely, both of those also had Cameron Diaz in them as well...

[Vanessa]

I love Tom Cruise, he's one of my favourite actors.
One that I like is Interview with the vampire.
It's just different from anything he's ever done.

[Niamh.]

he comes across that way in real life so maybe it's not all down to him playing characters like that either

[Niamh.]

As a side project as well we should see how many of these films pass the Bechdel Test, especially the female empowerment ones

[Niamh.]

Just read a comment on line about Sucker Punch actually and I hadn't noticed that but it's true :

Spoiler:

Anyone else notice how no "real" male characters died in this movie? They were all giant samurai statues/steampunk Germans/robo-cops. No flesh and blood "men" were killed - injured, yes, but not killed.
Yet several of the women died...it just made me ponder.

[GoldHeart]

Sucker Punch

Spoiler:

Such a strange and dark yet interesting fantasy within a fantasy movie with coping mechanisms and psychological dealings, it's sad most of them died . I only watched it once years ago . I might have to revisit it again.
And wise man was like an angel figure aswell .

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Sucker Punch

Spoiler:

Such a strange and dark yet interesting fantasy within a fantasy movie with coping mechanisms and psychological dealings, it's sad most of them died . I only watched it once years ago . I might have to revisit it again.
And wise man was like an angel figure aswell .

Spoiler:

....in an earthly/human comparison, wise man was also like the social worker/psychologist/school family support counsellor as well...in that mentoring and teaching of coping skills, I think...that was a second watch for me, GoldHeart and it is an interesting movie in that I was focused quite differently this time...although I recall most of it as I watched again, it was also a bit like watching a different variant of the movie...

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Just read a comment on line about Sucker Punch actually and I hadn't noticed that but it's true :

Spoiler:

Anyone else notice how no "real" male characters died in this movie? They were all giant samurai statues/steampunk Germans/robo-cops. No flesh and blood "men" were killed - injured, yes, but not killed.
Yet several of the women died...it just made me ponder.

Spoiler:

...Yeah, I hadn’t really thought of that...I guess because the concept was of female sexualisation but interesting...the other thing that I thought earlier as well is the age of the girls and although their exact ages weren’t specified as such, they were obviously very young and barely adult age...and Baby Doll especially is such a child name association....so obviously that adds another layer...

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

Spoiler:

...Yeah, I hadn’t really thought of that...I guess because the concept was of female sexualisation but interesting...the other thing that I thought earlier as well is the age of the girls and although their exact ages weren’t specified as such, they were obviously very young and barely adult age...and Baby Doll especially is such a child name association....so obviously that adds another layer...

Spoiler:

Baby doll was 20, the orderly asks her step father what age she was when he's filling out her admittance form at the start. We never get any of the girls real names though and each one of them is named after an object which I think is probably on purpose from the person who made the film, you know, him telling us how bad objectifying women is by objectifying women

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Spoiler:

Baby doll was 20, the orderly asks her step father what age she was when he's filling out her admittance form at the start. We never get any of the girls real names though and each one of them is named after an object which I think is probably on purpose from the person who made the film, you know, him telling us how bad objectifying women is by objectifying women

Spoiler:

...oh I do recall now with her age...you’re so good at recalling every detail, I tend to be quite focused with certain things, which is why the movie looked so different and because it is such a layered plot as well...but yeah, naming them after objects would have been purposeful as well, I would have thought...and their purpose was to dance/to entrance men...if they couldn’t do that then they had no purpose...I remember on first watch as well that I was very conflicted in thoughts about the female doctor... Carla Gugino’s character...because she obviously served the men in ensuring the ‘performed’ for them...a bit like a Madam in a way...?...but she was also protecting the girls in her way by ensuring they stay alive and fulfilled that purpose...?...

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

Spoiler:

...oh I do recall now with her age...you’re so good at recalling every detail, I tend to be quite focused with certain things, which is why the movie looked so different and because it is such a layered plot as well...but yeah, naming them after objects would have been purposeful as well, I would have thought...and their purpose was to dance/to entrance men...if they couldn’t do that then they had no purpose...I remember on first watch as well that I was very conflicted in thoughts about the female doctor... Carla Gugino’s character...because she obviously served the men in ensuring the ‘performed’ for them...a bit like a Madam in a way...?...but she was also protecting the girls in her way by ensuring they stay alive and fulfilled that purpose...?...

Spoiler:

She did tell Blue when Blondie confessed their plan though One part that made little sense to me as well to do with her was just after Baby Doll is lobotomised at the end, she stands there and lets him do it and then he says she was the one who authorised it and she's shocked because she didn't, I mean did she never wonder beforehand who did, she's her patient did she not think to ask first or look in her file at least?

[Niamh.]

Water world is terrible. I feel like I've seen Dead Zone before but can't remember it at all so that would work for me or both films that you posted trailers for look good as well

[Niamh.]

Do you have the youtube link Vanessa? There's lots of trailers coming up for me

[Ammi]

...there is also a movie on Netflix atm called Red Dot ...I know it’s not a classic but it does provoke thought, it’s an interesting movie...and quite original in its plot...

...the trailer...

Youtube video

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Do you have the youtube link Vanessa? There's lots of trailers coming up for me

You need to search
Dead Zone full movie.
Then you scroll down and you'll see The Dead Zone part one.
It starts from there.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

You need to search
Dead Zone full movie.
Then you scroll down and you'll see The Dead Zone part one.
It starts from there.

Thanks Vanessa

[Niamh.]

I'll watch that at the weekend Ammi

[Ammi]

...I won’t say anything and see what you think.....I always find it awkward in the what did you last watch thread because I mainly say...it’s a great movie but I’m saying nothing at all......

...sorry about Dead Zone, I thought that I’d got it from the ‘included in Prime, section...but I’d obviously got it from a search while I was searching another one and hadn’t clicked it to see that there was a charge...I’ll go back to disliking Amazon Prime and preferring Netflix because you know that none on there are to pay for...

[Niamh.]

I'm not even going to watch the trailer and let it be a complete mystery movie

No worries, If I can watch on Youtube I'll do that. The you tube ones take me longer though because I usually watch them on my break at work. Still finishing Fallen, almost there though, will get it finished today

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I'm not even going to watch the trailer and let it be a complete mystery movie

No worries, If I can watch on Youtube I'll do that. The you tube ones take me longer though because I usually watch them on my break at work. Still finishing Fallen, almost there though, will get it finished today

...the thing with YouTube is that I tend to watch on my iPad, so it’s not a way that I can watch together with my OH...and I can’t imagine him watching ‘in bits’ anyway, he’s not a bit kind of guy......but I don’t mind so long as it joins together as the whole complete movie....and it is frustrating to set your mind to watch a movie and then be unable to...

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...the thing with YouTube is that I tend to watch on my iPad, so it’s not a way that I can watch together with my OH...and I can’t imagine him watching ‘in bits’ anyway, he’s not a bit kind of guy......but I don’t mind so long as it joins together as the whole complete movie....and it is frustrating to set your mind to watch a movie and then be unable to...

Yeah, I would watch that on my own too, Gav wouldn't be a fan of watching something in bits either but it wouldn't bother me too much

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah, I would watch that on my own too, Gav wouldn't be a fan of watching something in bits either but it wouldn't bother me too much

It's such a great movie, well worth it.

[Niamh.]

Oh I should have watched the trailer, Gav won't watch a fully subtitled film