[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I have to say Joey this has thrown me, do you think that it's just a ploy to sell papers in Scotland? I hope it's not due to any shady deals :/

I think the SUN has supported the SNP before in Scotland.
Who cares anyway that matters,the SUN is a total waste of paper and print anyway in my view.

See,I get how the SNP are riding high in Scotland, 45% ended up voting for independence, no other party in Scotland is in favour of Independence.
So the 45% who really got out there and voted for it, will now naturally support the SNP.
It is no surprise to me at all.

For me, it makes no difference only that it will possibly leave Labour,not the largest party,albeit by only a few seats here and there.
However the predictions are still around 275 to 280 seats for each of the main parties.
the SNP in its best sceanrio then could win 50 to 55 seats.
Any seats it fails to get,then saty with Labour and adds to Labour's tally.
That being the case, even in that situation, there would be no easy road for any possible Conservative led govt; as the SNP figures with the opposition would command the majority in parliament.

In truth, that would really mean no Conservative led govt; at all, as the SNP have ruled out ever allowing a Conservative govt; to come to power if it has the figures to stop it doing so.

I'd actually assume the other SUN, will be annoyed that the Scottish one is supporting the SNP again.
Since it exposes the SUN for the total hypocrites they are and of no national interest for the UK as a whole too.
To have one of its publications praising the SNP from the high heavens and supporting them, while the other shower are warning of how dangerous the SNP are.
They look what they are,pathetically ridiculous.

[bots]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I think the SUN has supported the SNP before in Scotland.
Who cares anyway that matters,the SUN is a total waste of paper and print anyway in my view.

See,I get how the SNP are riding high in Scotland, 45% ended up voting for independence, no other party in Scotland is in favour of Independence.
So the 45% who really got out there and voted for it, will now naturally support the SNP.
It is no surprise to me at all.

For me, it makes no difference only that it will possibly leave Labour,not the largest party,albeit by only a few seats here and there.
However the predictions are still around 275 to 280 seats for each of the main parties.
the SNP in its best sceanrio then could win 50 to 55 seats.
Any seats it fails to get,then saty with Labour and adds to Labour's tally.
That being the case, even in that situation, there would be no easy road for any possible Conservative led govt; as the SNP figures with the opposition would command the majority in parliament.

In truth, that would really mean no Conservative led govt; at all, as the SNP have ruled out ever allowing a Conservative govt; to come to power if it has the figures to stop it doing so.

I'd actually assume the other SUN, will be annoyed that the Scottish one is supporting the SNP again.
Since it exposes the SUN for the total hypocrites they are and of no national interest for the UK as a whole too.
To have one of its publications praising the SNP from the high heavens and supporting them, while the other shower are warning of how dangerous the SNP are.
They look what they are,pathetically ridiculous.

One could say that it shows that the Sun does have independent editorial teams for both versions of the paper, and that's a good thing. However, I believe the sole criteria for the paper choosing sides is based on who they think the majority of its readership will vote for, and nothing deeper than that. It would be commercial suicide to advocate a different view from the majority of its readership.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I think the SUN has supported the SNP before in Scotland.
Who cares anyway that matters,the SUN is a total waste of paper and print anyway in my view.

See,I get how the SNP are riding high in Scotland, 45% ended up voting for independence, no other party in Scotland is in favour of Independence.
So the 45% who really got out there and voted for it, will now naturally support the SNP.
It is no surprise to me at all.

For me, it makes no difference only that it will possibly leave Labour,not the largest party,albeit by only a few seats here and there.
However the predictions are still around 275 to 280 seats for each of the main parties.
the SNP in its best sceanrio then could win 50 to 55 seats.
Any seats it fails to get,then saty with Labour and adds to Labour's tally.
That being the case, even in that situation, there would be no easy road for any possible Conservative led govt; as the SNP figures with the opposition would command the majority in parliament.

In truth, that would really mean no Conservative led govt; at all, as the SNP have ruled out ever allowing a Conservative govt; to come to power if it has the figures to stop it doing so.

I'd actually assume the other SUN, will be annoyed that the Scottish one is supporting the SNP again.
Since it exposes the SUN for the total hypocrites they are and of no national interest for the UK as a whole too.
To have one of its publications praising the SNP from the high heavens and supporting them, while the other shower are warning of how dangerous the SNP are.
They look what they are,pathetically ridiculous.

You've gotta admit Joey that what's happening in Scotland is absolutely disastrous for Labour though. All the jokes about Scotland having less Tory MPs than they do giant pandas, well its looking like that could be true for Labour now as well! A couple of polls have even had the SNP winning every single seat. The Scottish Labour leader could lose his seat, Douglas Alexander could well lose his seat to a 20 year old politics student! It's remarkable. It's bad for the UK as a whole because I really think that Sturgeon will have good grounds to push for another referendum now and the Yes campaign could very well win it this time.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by MTVN

You've gotta admit Joey that what's happening in Scotland is absolutely disastrous for Labour though. All the jokes about Scotland having less Tory MPs than they do giant pandas, well its looking like that could be true for Labour now as well! A couple of polls have even had the SNP winning every single seat. The Scottish Labour leader could lose his seat, Douglas Alexander could well lose his seat to a 20 year old politics student! It's remarkable. It's bad for the UK as a whole because I really think that Sturgeon will have good grounds to push for another referendum now and the Yes campaign could very well win it this time.

Fingers crossed.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by MTVN

You've gotta admit Joey that what's happening in Scotland is absolutely disastrous for Labour though. All the jokes about Scotland having less Tory MPs than they do giant pandas, well its looking like that could be true for Labour now as well! A couple of polls have even had the SNP winning every single seat. The Scottish Labour leader could lose his seat, Douglas Alexander could well lose his seat to a 20 year old politics student! It's remarkable. It's bad for the UK as a whole because I really think that Sturgeon will have good grounds to push for another referendum now and the Yes campaign could very well win it this time.

It is disastrous for Labour and I admit that, there was always going to come a time when what happened to the Conservatives as to Scotland,they won 21 seats there 40 years ago, would come round to Labour once the SNP really got 'authority' in Scotland.

As I have said consistently on here even before the election campaign officially began,I am not that bothered.
had the votes been going to the Lib Dems or the Conservatives or even UKIP,then that would have been far worse for me.

As it is,the SNP have more policies I agree with than I do Labours.
Added to that the 45% who voted for independence, the situation in Scotland is not surprising, the scale is but we won't know the real scale until the votes are cast.

I actually don't think Nicola Sturgeon will get or even seek a referendum again,not in this decade at any rate.
No party in Westminster would support another and it would have to be agreed and got through the UK Parliament again.

[Kizzy]

This is the only bayby dayvid I want to see...

[Kizzy]

I'm trying to imagine us out of Europe and broken away from Scotland... England will be a very lonely eerie place to be.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I'm trying to imagine us out of Europe and broken away from Scotland... England will be a very lonely eerie place to be.

Rubbish
we are World Traders

Europe Stops that

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by arista

Rubbish
we are World Traders

Europe Stops that

We can't even maintain a relationship with our closest EU neighbours or even countries within our own union... the rest of the world have no chance :/

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

We can't even maintain a relationship with our closest EU neighbours or even countries within our own union... the rest of the world have no chance :/

You are a Grim Speaker


I do not agree with your vision

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by arista

You are a Grim Speaker


I do not agree with your vision

I'm a realist.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I'm trying to imagine us out of Europe and broken away from Scotland... England will be a very lonely eerie place to be.

Except for the Commonwealth. And the USA. And the rest of Europe which we will continue to trade with. Sounds okay to me.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

Except for the Commonwealth. And the USA. And the rest of Europe which we will continue to trade with. Sounds okay to me.

Are you referring to TTIP?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I'm trying to imagine us out of Europe and broken away from Scotland... England will be a very lonely eerie place to be.

For me, it doesn't even bear thinking about Kizzy.

Had Scotland voted for independence,then I am sure I would have moved there with it then being a far more forward looking Nation,with a govt; that more represented a fairer society as to its policies..
I'd have hated to have remained in England, with the pompous South dictating to the whole of the rest of the UK as usual.

If the UK was to leave the EU however, then I would be off.
The USA would likely give token trade and support to the UK as it wants the UK in the EU and has strongly said that too.
That for me, would be too much of a massive step backwards and I would not want to remain and support such a backward looking Nation were that to come about.
It would lead to,in my view, economic disaster,to trade with the EU we would still have to accept free movement of its citizens and not always get the best deals as to trade either.

In fact,if that happened even my Mum and Dad and a lot of my family would move to another EU country too.

[Kazanne]

What bloody turncoats Liberal Mps are,trying to slur the Tories for child tax cuts when the guy himself commissioned the paper himself,it was done 3 years ago and was not put in place and will not be,good lord,who would want to vote for them,very telling how arsey Clegg got when asked the question about it.arsehole!

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

What bloody turncoats Liberal Mps are,trying to slur the Tories for child tax cuts when the guy himself commissioned the paper himself,it was done 3 years ago and was not put in place and will not be,good lord,who would want to vote for them,very telling how arsey Clegg got when asked the question about it.arsehole!

its a pathetic attempt and guess who did it, that utter eejit Alexander


nuff said

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

its a pathetic attempt and guess who did it, that utter eejit Alexander


nuff said

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Not Only that
it was Front Page of the Daily Mirror
of 2012


IDS wanted it

The PM said NO


It was Debated on the Daily Politics today



So its a old story
Spewed up by the LibDems



Its ideal for Kizzy

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

What bloody turncoats Liberal Mps are,trying to slur the Tories for child tax cuts when the guy himself commissioned the paper himself,it was done 3 years ago and was not put in place and will not be,good lord,who would want to vote for them,very telling how arsey Clegg got when asked the question about it.arsehole!

I said ages ago they would turn Kazanne, somewhere around 2011.

I was wrong in my thinking they would pull out of the coalition but I still only believe they didn't because their poll ratings have been so desperately low.

I knew come the election,they would want to distance themselves from the bad things they did support and try to take credit for all the succeses.

What sticks in my throat as to them is they are warning of a lurch to the right with the Conservatives or a lurch to the left with Labour.

What utter hypocrisy, they fought the 2010 election on a manifesto that was even more to the left than Labour's.
Then to have a miserable 5 years of shared power,a title for Clegg and some Ministerial positions, they made the biggest lurch to the right, as to policies supported, that any party has ever done virtually overnight.

Also, if it was possible to form a coalition with Labour after May 7th and Miliband agreed.
They would then happily walk through the lobbies supporting over the next 5 years, repeal after repeal of any legislation Labour maybe wanted to repeal,as to what they supported this last 5 years.
Just to have another period of shared time in govt:

While Clegg is their leader,they haven't an ounce of political credibility or integrity left.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I said ages ago they would turn Kazanne, somewhere around 2011.

I was wrong in my thinking they would pull out of the coalition but I still only believe they didn't because their poll ratings have been so desperately low.

I knew come the election,they would want to distance themselves from the bad things they did support and try to take credit for all the succeses.

What sticks in my throat as to them is they are warning of a lurch to the right with the Conservatives or a lurch to the left with Labour.

What utter hypocrisy, they fought the 2010 election on a manifesto that was even more to the left than Labour's.
Then to have a miserable 5 years of shared power,a title for Clegg and some Ministerial positions, they made the biggest lurch to the right, as to policies supported, that any party has ever done virtually overnight.

Also, if it was possible to form a coalition with Labour after May 7th and Miliband agreed.
They would then happily walk through the lobbies supporting over the next 5 years, repeal after repeal of any legislation Labour maybe wanted to repeal,as to what they supported this last 5 years.
Just to have another period of shared time in govt:

While Clegg is their leader,they haven't an ounce of political credibility or integrity left.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Yay, my first clap from Kazanne this whole election so far.

Thank you Smudgie for yours too.

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I said ages ago they would turn Kazanne, somewhere around 2011.

I was wrong in my thinking they would pull out of the coalition but I still only believe they didn't because their poll ratings have been so desperately low.

I knew come the election,they would want to distance themselves from the bad things they did support and try to take credit for all the succeses.

What sticks in my throat as to them is they are warning of a lurch to the right with the Conservatives or a lurch to the left with Labour.

What utter hypocrisy, they fought the 2010 election on a manifesto that was even more to the left than Labour's.
Then to have a miserable 5 years of shared power,a title for Clegg and some Ministerial positions, they made the biggest lurch to the right, as to policies supported, that any party has ever done virtually overnight.

Also, if it was possible to form a coalition with Labour after May 7th and Miliband agreed.
They would then happily walk through the lobbies supporting over the next 5 years, repeal after repeal of any legislation Labour maybe wanted to repeal,as to what they supported this last 5 years.
Just to have another period of shared time in govt:

While Clegg is their leader,they haven't an ounce of political credibility or integrity left.

wise words Joey.

They look to be willing to swing either way......meal ticket springs to mnd.

[Jøsh]

The countdown is on,1 week to go until the election!

[Kazanne]

Looks like it's not just a UK problem.
http://www.msn.com/en-gb/entertainme...Ha?ocid=LENDHP.

Maybe that's a good point they make about the tons of food that is wasted.

[Kizzy]

Lucky old you