[MeMyselfAndI]

i dont like this weird talk of stuff its creepy lol

[Tony Stark]

Originally Posted by setanta

Absolutely.

Why?

[GypsyGoth]

Originally Posted by MeMyselfandI

i dont like this weird talk of stuff its creepy lol

This thread probably isn't for you

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Tom

But a lot of stuff in the Bible has actually happened, for example theres meant to be historical evidence for the plagues of Egypt and Jesus did exist. And then theres things like visions, psychics and things such as spontaneous combustion. All ultimately falls under religion and the belief of the supernatural/God.

I don't think eye witness testimony is any less valid whether it comes from religious people or if it doesn't. But of course theres going to be a bias depending on your agenda, just like there is with everything in EWT.

There is no hard proof either way- sceptic theories are just that. Just because they're a more rational way, sometimes very far fetched, it doesn't make it any more or less valid than what its trying to disprove.

I don't think we'll ever know and I don't think I actually would want to know. But my personal beliefs are summed up in the title of this Facebook group

http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Chr...6322705?ref=ts

In other words there is no evidence for god, which was your initial point. If there was evidence we would know. At least in my understanding of the term 'evidence'.

Of course things in The Bible happened. At the end of the day it is a mixture of ramblings, prose, poetry and a *teeny* bit of history.

There is no universally accepted proof that the Egyptian plagues happened as told in The Bible.

[Tom]

Oh and the thing about aliens, thats a really broad term. Do you class a bug living on Mars as an alien or do you think theres a good chance of green men with black eyes who fly space ships, abduct people from earth and anal probe them existing?

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Tom

Oh and the thing about aliens, thats a really broad term. Do you class a bug living on Mars as an alien or do you think theres a good chance of green men with black eyes who fly space ships, abduct people from earth and anal probe them existing?

Alien is a bit of a hollywood term I suppose, in fairness. Let's just say life outside Earth, which I believe stands a very, very high chance of existing.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by Judas Iscariot

In other words there is no evidence for god, which was your initial point. If there was evidence we would know. At least in my understanding of the term 'evidence'.

Of course things in The Bible happened. At the end of the day it is a mixture of ramblings, prose, poetry and a *teeny* bit of history.

There is no universally accepted proof that the Egyptian plagues happened as told in The Bible.

No my point is theres suggestable evidence, its something you need to go really indepth with though, you can't really just touch on it with a few half hearted points. So you can't really objectively say its a fact God does not exist.

[setanta]

Originally Posted by Tony Stark

Why?

It's a personal belief and as long as it doesn't infringe on others, I don't feel it necessary for me to validate it on a forum. I believe that there are forces at work that are beyond the scope of our own understanding, that's all.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Tom

No my point is theres suggestable evidence, its something you need to go really indepth with though, you can't really just touch on it with a few half hearted points. So you can't really objectively say its a fact God does not exist.

I think theory would be a more appropriate word. Sure, I can't say for a fact that God does not exist but you cannot say for a fact that a small teapot is not orbiting the earth. Both contain an equal lack of verified, hard proof.

[Shaun]

Ooh. An existentialism debate. Sartre must be wanking in his grave.

[Stu]

There is no grave.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Tony Stark

But they're not alive as a rational thinking human being. They're alive, but if they were a rational thinking human being they'd have no reason to believe in God.

As I said earlier depends on a persons definition of God. There are many ideas about the nature of God.

Seeing as science cant explain everything just yet, in fact our understanding of the universe and its history etc is like a primary schoolchild's understanding of Social and Economic History since the 17th century. A rational person wouldnt rule out the possibility of the existance of God. But would err on the side of safety and not completely deny it.

[Tony Stark]

Originally Posted by setanta

It's a personal belief and as long as it doesn't infringe on others, I don't feel it necessary for me to validate it on a forum. I believe that there are forces at work that are beyond the scope of our own understanding, that's all.

Are you a parent?

[Stu]

Why does your post count always stay the same, Tony?

[Tony Stark]

Originally Posted by Judas Iscariot

Why does your post count always stay the same, Tony?

Cos I've never posted outside Chat and Games.