[Lex]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I'm intrigued. One because you dont even HAVE 5 infractions, and secondly because of the ones you have I didn't give you them all.

I have had 5 infractions!...cant tell you 'exactly' when or by whom!
But three or four were while I was in debate when you were involved!!
You even increased one infraction to two , saying that 'it was because I was a pain' when I was refuting the first one!!

Still dont know why not agreeing with YOU is infraction worthy??

[Patrick]

Hmm, Vicky what if we PM you and the infraction we got CAN'T be explain because it WASN'T a rule break?

[Tom4784]

I've said this so often in the past few days but if you want to contest a punishment or infraction then PM me or another mod, If I was behind it we'll talk it through and if I wasn't I'll look over the infraction and IF I think It's a bit rash or hasty or maybe not even harsh enough I'll say so to the mod (which I do anyway and I encourage other mods to do the same to me).

Most of the time we all get it right and sometimes you just got to accept it as causing drama on the forums will only get you in more trouble.

In summary, as long as you are civil feel free to PM me anytime and I'll look into it although 99% of the time I'll agree with the mods.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Lex

I have had 5 infractions!...cant tell you 'exactly' when or by whom!
But three or four were while I was in debate when you were involved!!
You even increased one infraction to two , saying that 'it was because I was a pain' when I was refuting the first one!!

Still dont know why not agreeing with YOU is infraction worthy??

You have not got any infractions for not agreeing with me

I just explained to you what infractions you actually have.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Patrick

Hmm, Vicky what if we PM you and the infraction we got CAN'T be explain because it WASN'T a rule break?

What do you mean?

You could just say, the most recent infraction I got, if you honestly cant think of any reason why you got it. Because we can look on your profile and see every infraction and the reasons for them

[flamingGalah!]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I've said this so often in the past few days but if you want to contest a punishment or infraction then PM me or another mod, If I was behind it we'll talk it through and if I wasn't I'll look over the infraction and IF I think It's a bit rash or hasty or maybe not even harsh enough I'll say so to the mod (which I do anyway and I encourage other mods to do the same to me).

Most of the time we all get it right and sometimes you just got to accept it as causing drama on the forums will only get you in more trouble.

In summary, as long as you are civil feel free to PM me anytime and I'll look into it although 99% of the time I'll agree with the mods.

If I have received an infraction which I think is unwarranted, I have hit the reply button to ask exactly what I had said that was bad, but I never, ever get a reply... Very frustrating. And it sems to me that one or two Mod's are taking advantage of their Mod status to dish out infractions left, right & centre to forum members who they have had run ins with... This seems to be with the newer Mod's in particular...

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by flamingGalah!

If I have received an infraction which I think is unwarranted, I have hit the reply button to ask exactly what I had said that was bad, but I never, ever get a reply... Very frustrating. And it sems to me that one or two Mod's are taking advantage of their Mod status to dish out infractions left, right & centre to forum members who they have had run ins with... This seems to be with the newer Mod's in particular...

We dont have access to the PMs on the TiBB staff account thats why you have not received a reply. Only admin do, and I doubt they log into that account, as there isnt really a need to :S

[flamingGalah!]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

We dont have access to the TiBB staff account thats why you have not received a reply.

Well it seems a little silly having the option to reply there then?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by flamingGalah!

Well it seems a little silly having the option to reply there then?

Yeah I agree actually.

But as Dezzy said, PM a mod about it if you feel you did not break a rule.

It is useless replying to the TiBB staff account

[flamingGalah!]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Yeah I agree actually.

But as Dezzy said, PM a mod about it if you feel you did not break a rule.

It is useless replying to the TiBB staff account

Ok ta

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Yeah, admin and other mods can tell who gives what to who.

it still shows up the way it used to.

And yeah, part of the problem was the abuse that we were all getting with nearly EVERY infraction that we were giving out. It gets so tedious and it is impossible to do your job when you are getting hundreds of PMs a day just moaning.

It may sound silly but if the mod is receiving abuse, then surely so that things can be seen to be fair, they should follow site procedure and complain to another Mod or admin and let them sort the problem.

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Also, a lot of members agreed that we should have a separate mod/posting account. So TiBB staff appeared

Think the separate account thing was so that you could be Vicky the mod on one account and be vicky the member in another, not that it would seem to be the staff had a collective shield to hide behind

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I dont see any reason for people to be speculating about who gave them the infraction anyway, as if you received one, you broke a rule. As Dezzy has said loads of times, if someone receives one that they feel is UNFAIR, IE they did NOT break a rule(not, '***** did that and didnt get an infraction but i did'...or 'it wasnt even a bad rule break')...PM any member of staff and it will be reviewed, or explained in full.

Hate to pull you up on this one but i got an infraction for insulting some forum members. I called the people posting hate about a housemate buffoons. You know the usual videos that were posted then reposted at least 2 or 3 times an hour by the same FM's. That tends to get a bit annoying. I would have thought it would be classed as spamming.

Surely the only people who could be offended were the hate filled buffoons actually posting the hate. In which case it wasnt an insult, it was a statement of fact.

I did PM staff about it to query it, find out who gave me it, still awaiting a response, mind it expires in a couple of hours so I wont be holding my breath waiting for a resolution.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by flamingGalah!

If I have received an infraction which I think is unwarranted, I have hit the reply button to ask exactly what I had said that was bad, but I never, ever get a reply... Very frustrating. And it sems to me that one or two Mod's are taking advantage of their Mod status to dish out infractions left, right & centre to forum members who they have had run ins with... This seems to be with the newer Mod's in particular...

It's best to PM a mod's posting account if you have any concerns over infractions as we can't reply to any Mod Staff PMs.

The thing with infractions is that when we hand them out a new thread is made automatically in Tibb Towers about it so that all mods and Admin can see it, so we can see if there's been any unjust punishments handed out and there hasn't been from what I can recall. Since I and others have become mods we've been able to crack down a bit more then before as there's more mods now so it may feel like we're being unfair but we're just able to keep up better now with reports and such.

[Lee.]

Yeah!! I want to know why I received mine and was banned too then!

[InOne]

Well I know who gave me mine but she still keeps quiet

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Shasown

It may sound silly but if the mod is receiving abuse, then surely so that things can be seen to be fair, they should follow site procedure and complain to another Mod or admin and let them sort the problem.

We did do that, quite frequently, but people still go on and on and on about it. Then, if they got banned for refusing to drop it, we had the whole forum up in arms about someone getting banned for challenging something. You see where the problem is?

Originally Posted by Shasown

Think the separate account thing was so that you could be Vicky the mod on one account and be vicky the member in another, not that it would seem to be the staff had a collective shield to hide behind

Possibly. And yeah that would make sense actually.

I dont see why it is classed as a shield though, because as I said before, chances are if you get an infraction, you DID do something wrong. So it shouldnt be challenged in the first place.

And if you do receive one for 'nothing' then all you need to do is PM a mod and it will be looked at.

I really dont get why people feel the need to know WHO they got punished off, as it really makes no difference is you did actually break a rule.

Originally Posted by Shasown

Hate to pull you up on this one but i got an infraction for insulting some forum members. I called the people posting hate about a housemate buffoons. You know the usual videos that were posted then reposted at least 2 or 3 times an hour by the same FM's. That tends to get a bit annoying. I would have thought it would be classed as spamming.

Surely the only people who could be offended were the hate filled buffoons actually posting the hate. In which case it wasnt an insult, it was a statement of fact.

I did PM staff about it to query it, find out who gave me it, still awaiting a response, mind it expires in a couple of hours so I wont be holding my breath waiting for a resolution.

Sorry to hear you got no reply...personally I reply to all 'reasonable' PMs I get, and I can't imagine you sending anything unreasonable. Insulting FMS is still against the rules though, no matter how annoying you find the person in question.

[Tom4784]

Also if you do have any complaints can you PM us after it's happened? We get loads of reports each day so older infractions and reports get lost extremely quickly so it's dificult to trace them down.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Shasown

It may sound silly but if the mod is receiving abuse, then surely so that things can be seen to be fair, they should follow site procedure and complain to another Mod or admin and let them sort the problem.

We do talk about it often in Tibb Towers as certain mods do get targeted for actions they haven't done. Off the top of my head Me, Vicky (repeatedly) and I think Iceman have all been targetted recently and it's annoying and draining as you feel as though you can't do your job as you'll get it in the neck regardless.

There is a lot of discussion on this matter in Tibb Towers though, although some members will always think we have our own vendettas sadly.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Sorry to hear you got no reply...personally I reply to all 'reasonable' PMs I get, and I can't imagine you sending anything unreasonable. Insulting FMS is still against the rules though, no matter how annoying you find the person in question.

Thanks but I cant say it bothered me either way, I didnt expect to get a reply, even if there had of been a reply it would have been no more helpful than stating, I had insulted forum members.

The particular thread I had responded to had been up on the forum a number of hours. Other more offensive insults, some subtle some not so subtle, had already posted and allowed to remain viewable.

Obviously a line has to be drawn somewhere, but come on some of the threads are a direct insult to the intelligence of forum members. But they arent offensive and thats where the line should be drawn, not simply because something could be deemed to be insulting.

Incidentally I have also noted one or two posts by staff that are offensive or insulting, what happens when a member reports a moderator for example for an inflammatory or insulting post, would the reported staff post be looked at with the same diligence as that of a normal FM?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Thanks but I cant say it bothered me either way, I didnt expect to get a reply, even if there had of been a reply it would have been no more helpful than stating, I had insulted forum members.

The particular thread I had responded to had been up on the forum a number of hours. Other more offensive insults, some subtle some not so subtle, had already posted and allowed to remain viewable.

Obviously a line has to be drawn somewhere, but come on some of the threads are a direct insult to the intelligence of forum members. But they arent offensive and thats where the line should be drawn, not simply because something could be deemed to be insulting.

Incidentally I have also noted one or two posts by staff that are offensive or insulting, what happens when a member reports a moderator for example for an inflammatory or insulting post, would the reported staff post be looked at with the same diligence as that of a normal FM?

Moderators cannot actually give infractions to each other. Though I would say if the post was extremely offensive, the mod would be stripped of their position and banned. Not that I believe this has happened before.

As for the thread you were talking about, people should report things that they deem unsuitable. Chances are, your comment was reported and thats why it was brought to our attention.

As for the other insults...I cant really comment as I dont know anything about it, but they may have received infractions also. Though why the posts weren't deleted is a mystery to me. If I give out infractions, I usually delete the posts afterwards, to avoid it carrying on. From what I have seen, others do the same :/

Though obviously I do not read every thread, so cant just make a sweeping statement about it all.


Edit. I actually looked back over the thread you are talking about, other comments were also deleted, and other infractions given out. Of the posts that are still there, I dont see anyone actually insulting each other. Going a bit over the top in their dislike of a housemate, but not insulting each other. Though to be fair, the whole thread should have been deleted as soon as it was opened, as it was another totally pointless thread started by the OP.

[luminoussun]

aawww i am so glad you did'nt take my post the wrong way and thanks everyone for keeping it a civil chat

[Shiner]

Interesting thread.

I think to avoid any further confusion, it should be included in your chirpy "you have an infraction" PM what the appropriate steps are to discuss your infraction.

I have had 2. One for correcting someone's text speak (which I understand is against the rules) and a second for cracking a multi layered joke about being thick, which ironically could only be taken wrongly if you happened to be unbelievably dense and unable to work out the joke. Annoyingly after I explained the intent of the joke, my explanation got deleted which made me look a right twat and I got an infraction. Having never had anything like that happen to me in all my years on various fora, I contested both infractions in a calm and friendly manner but got no reply. I was left with the feeling that the TiBB Staff didn't care that my infractions were unfair or not.

I now know that no matter how nicely you do it, you can't just reply to the TiBB Staff PM you get.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by MojoNixon

Maybe there is this one new Mod who likes to overuse her powers....

lmao, I assume you're talking about me and I can assure you I don't "overuse my powers" at all, you fully deserved your infractions

[GiRTh]

Just noticed this thread. I'm amazed its still open.

There are offensive threads about bulls**t all over this forum yet they go untouched but as soon as a controversial subject is toucehd on the mods lurk like vultures to end any kind of meaningful discussion. In days gone by, members were allowed to debate openly and honestly. Sadly that is no longer the case on this forum.

Its quite clear from the many posts in this thread, the infraction system simply isn't working. The reason given are often seen as trivial or under explained. The mods seem happy giving them out but unhappy justifying them. The old system was so much clearer.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

lmao, I assume you're talking about me and I can assure you I don't "overuse my powers" at all, you fully deserved your infractions

LMAO. Thats why I'm surprised this thread is still going. The mods are arguing with us. Priceless.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Its quite clear from the many posts in this thread, the infraction system simply isn't working. The reason given are often seen as trivial or under explained. The mods seem happy giving them out but unhappy justifying them. The old system was so much clearer.

If you mean the old 3 strikes and you are out system, where the first warning was an automatic 24 hour ban, second a week and third permanent, then I fully agree.

I actually miss the old forum, people didnt play up as much, with infractions they can get away with a LOT more, and my god don't people try testing the boundaries. With the old system they couldnt do that.