[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Smithy

I blame you Vicky

Theres a bloody change

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Smithy

Vicky your gonna get killed by the FBI tonight

[ange7]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Ha, a few choice words that I cant really repeat on here

I don't understand why people are branded stupid just for questioning what they are told though. Its silly really.

Conspiracy theories sell well because some people like to believe that it's all out of their control.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcrF346sS_I

[Omen]

I read a good article written by Eamon Dunphy. He wrote many newpaper articles on the subject in The Irish Mail. Anyway, his hypothesis ws that 9/11 was used as the causus belli to unleash the Project For A New American Century. I think there can be little doubt that this was the case.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project...erican_Century

"The Project for the New American Century (PNAC) was an American think tank based in Washington, D.C. that lasted from early 1997 to 2006....The PNAC exerted influence on high-level U.S. government officials in the administration of U.S. President George W. Bush and affected the Bush Administration's development of military and foreign policies, especially involving national security and the Iraq War."

9/11 was a gift for these guys.

[Zippy]

I believe the attack was a genius terrorist masterstroke. Worked to perfection.

With a little help along the way by incompetence from those whose job it was to stop such events occuring.

But no conspiracy. Why would the US goverment make themselves look so useless?

[BBfan46]

Originally Posted by Zippy

I believe the attack was a genius terrorist masterstroke. Worked to perfection.

With a little help along the way by incompetence from those whose job it was to stop such events occuring.

But no conspiracy. Why would the US goverment make themselves look so useless?

The attack was not genius, it was largely down to the unassuming American government, the FBI knew Muslim activists were training to be pilots in the States and even granted them permits to take such lessons and there were suspicions raised about the motives of the inevitable hijackers when they got aboard the plane but it was dropped, I do agree, it wasn't the government's doing but it was their fault I mean they didn't even ****ing evacuate the second tower? Accident or not, you would have thought it was a basic safety feature and when United 93 was on course for the White House, the nearest military jet was 100 miles away despite many calls from distressed passengers, the FBI only knew the plane had been hijacked four minutes AFTER it had gone down.

[Omen]

I've read that if the terrorists hadn't knocked them down then someone else would have had to sooner rather than later, so they did their new owner, who had them insured for double their value, a huge favour. Their demolition was, I believe, well under consideration already.

[Omen]

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=4373

On 9/11: Was the Asbestos-Laced World Trade Center "Disposable"?

But in exposing this evidence, the 9/11 Truth effort is also shedding light on a significant story-within-the-story: that the World Trade Center (WTC) was obsolete and asbestos-laced, and that its destruction on 9/11 may, for certain interests in the U.S., have been both desirable and profitable--independent of any interest in war.

[Grimnir]

first off in Britain we should call it 11/9 as we have our time and date format the correct way round

11/9 was just another step on the road to a New World Order led by the Illuminati

Global Warming scam is another step

World Economic Crisis is another step

soon all the ostriches that have their heads stuck in the sand will stand up and take notice, but by then it will be too late

billions will die at the hands of a worldwide virus pandemic including 99% of this forum, this virus will be man made and used as a biological weapon
HIV/AIDS is another man-made biological weapon

any rebels will be labelled terrorists and hunted down by a non-human UN police force

world war 3 is closer than you think

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Grimnir

first off in Britain we should call it 11/9 as we have our time and date format the correct way round

11/9 was just another step on the road to a New World Order led by the Illuminati

Global Warming scam is another step

World Economic Crisis is another step

soon all the ostriches that have their heads stuck in the sand will stand up and take notice, but by then it will be too late

billions will die at the hands of a worldwide virus pandemic including 99% of this forum, this virus will be man made and used as a biological weapon
HIV/AIDS is another man-made biological weapon

any rebels will be labelled terrorists and hunted down by a non-human UN police force

world war 3 is closer than you think

You should get that fantasy of yours down on paper and send it to a movie producer.

[Omen]

Originally Posted by Grimnir

first off in Britain we should call it 11/9 as we have our time and date format the correct way round

11/9 was just another step on the road to a New World Order led by the Illuminati

Global Warming scam is another step

World Economic Crisis is another step

soon all the ostriches that have their heads stuck in the sand will stand up and take notice, but by then it will be too late__________________________________________________ ___________

billions will die at the hands of a worldwide virus pandemic including 99% of this forum, this virus will be man made and used as a biological weapon
HIV/AIDS is another man-made biological weapon

any rebels will be labelled terrorists and hunted down by a non-human UN police force

world war 3 is closer than you think

You're half right.

[Z]

I was watching a 9/11 documentary last week with my family; and my dad mentioned a conspiracy theory that 9/11 was linked to Lockerbie; and that 9/11 was some kind of permitted revenge attack that the Americans would capitalise on to go to war... I don't really remember the details of what he said, but if anyone else has heard said theory, feel free to fill in the blanks for me!

To be honest I'm not interested in conspiracy theories. Two planes crashed into two world famous buildings; lots of people were killed and it was a tragic, horrific event. I find it fascinating to watch footage from that day. I think, if there is a conspiracy behind 9/11, it's best if it remains just that - it would spoil the memory of those who died on that day, in my opinion. R.I.P, it does not seem like nine years since it happened!

[Sticks]

Anyone asking whether this was a conspiracy theory on the part of the US Government should look at a real conspiracy that was perpertrated

That of Watergate

Not that many people involved compared to what would be needed for a Moon landing conspiracy or a 9/11 (11/9) conspiracy, and yet it unravelled and came to light fairly quickly.

If there were such a conspiracy, where are the deep throats? where are the Serpico's?

There is an old maxim known as "Occam's Rasor" which usually is the death knell for all conspiracy theories, that the most simplest explanation, no matter how unpalatable has to be true.

Conspiracies by their nature are complex unweildy beasts, which as we saw with Watergate have a habit of falling apart.

The explanation that is simplest and fits the test of Occam's rasor is that nineteen people got past incompetant security. The authorities emergency plans were based on a cold war mentality, where fighter jets where sent out over the sea under the old protocols which had not been changed. They also assumed that hijackers would always want to live and get away.

America is hated because of percieved support for Israel and because American troops who were in Saudi because of the first Gulf War were seen as infidels desecrating the holy sites of Islam.

As for the technical details of bringing down a building, ask any reputable demolition firm and they will tell you what preparations are needed before the explosives people go in. There is no way that could be hidden.

As for WT7, there was a fire that was allowed to burn unchecked because it had been evacuated and there was understandably problems with the water supply.

Again, application of Occam's Rasor points away from a US government conspiracy.

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by BBfan46

The attack was not genius...

Er, yes it was. The most memorable terrorist attack in modern history.

The rest of your post is just speculation and opinion. I don't believe anybody allowed anything because at the end of the day people are accountable in their jobs and nobody chooses to look incompetent. Especially when it involves thousands of deaths.

[Omen]

Having watched the JFK prog on C4 last night/this morning I have come to the conclusion that you don't have to be proactive to participate in a conspiracy, just inactive, or let it happen. Cui bono? This act was a gift for the Bush administrtion. Bush probably was going to be defeated in 2004, he wasn't popular. The hawks got their excuse to invade Afghanistan and Iraq, something they already planned.

However, it is fantastical to think there were controlled explosions, isn't it? Yet there's an organisation called Architects And Engineers For 9/11 Truth, numbering over 1000, who are still asking if these buildings were demolished by controlled explosion.

It's remarkable that such a hap-hazzard attack on a sky scraper should bring about an almost near perfect controlled-like demolition. It makes you wonder what these demolition experts get paid for.

[ange7]

Originally Posted by Omen

I've read that if the terrorists hadn't knocked them down then someone else would have had to sooner rather than later, so they did their new owner, who had them insured for double their value, a huge favour. Their demolition was, I believe, well under consideration already.

sweet jesus! are you f-ing serious?
off the hook.
So who was responsible for 9/11 omen?
"insured for double their value"? were they in on it too? oh do tell!

[Omen]

Originally Posted by ange7

sweet jesus! are you f-ing serious?
off the hook.
So who was responsible for 9/11 omen?
"insured for double their value"? were they in on it too? oh do tell!

Read the post, don't read into the post (that which isn't there).

Note: "I have read",

that the buildings were a health hazzard, full of asbestos, in need of demolition;

that the guy who had jus bought them from the Port Authority claimed twice, ie double, from their insurers.

[Niamh.]

I won't pretend to know alot about the subject but I did watch Farhanheit 911 which was very interesting. The guy in that reckons that the US government knew that it was Osama Bin ladan but went after Saddam Hussein instead because Osama Bin ladans family were influential in some way. Again my knowledge is very limited on the subject!

[Omen]

Saddam Hussein had diddly-squat to do with it.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Omen

Saddam Hussein had diddly-squat to do with it.

I know, that was that guy who did the films point.

[ange7]

Originally Posted by Omen

Read the post, don't read into the post (that which isn't there).

Note: "I have read",

that the buildings were a health hazzard, full of asbestos, in need of demolition;

that the guy who had jus bought them from the Port Authority claimed twice, ie double, from their insurers.

lol what was funny was this part

"Their demolition was, I believe, well under consideration already."

"Authority claimed twice, ie double, from their insurers"
What was the claim and what was the actual value? If you don't know then I'll assume it's BS. Is it BS? And if it is true what conclusion can be made from it? I'm assuming you made the point for a reason. When I take the p*ss out of your assumption you reply with the accusation that I "read into the post" something that wasn't there. Odd ... what was the point you were trying to make with that "fact".

[Omen]

Their demolition was under consideration. And their owner did claim double indemnity on the basis it was a terrorist attack.

[ange7]

Originally Posted by Omen

Their demolition was under consideration. And their owner did claim double indemnity on the basis it was a terrorist attack.

says who? .... no numbers means your quoting from the internet. And even if true you FAILED to answer what inference your making from this "fact".

[Omen]

.."it was well-known that the WTC was an asbestos bombshell. Plans were made in 1989 to completely dismantle the WTC not only because of the asbestos problems but also the electrolytic corrosion problems. Apparently, the plans were dropped because they were considered prohibitively expensive. The only reason the building was still standing on 9/11 was it was too costly to disassemble floor by floor."

"But allfor the maximum amount of the policy, based on two, in Silverstein's view, separate at of Lucky Larry's problems disappeared on Sept. 11, 2001. Silverstein filed TWO insurance claims tacks."

http://www.rense.com/general82/whod.htm

[Omen]

[QUOTE=ange7;3793979]says who? .... no numbers means your quoting from the internet. And even if true you FAILED to answer what inference your making from this "fact".[/QUOTE]


Make any inference you like.