[InOne]

You have not done well people

[MrGaryy]

saying that music taste is a matter of a opinion is all fine and well but ultimately...you know what's up. I think I have a healthy balance of being able to appreciate a catchy song without necessarily justifying the singer as a credible artist. For example, I think TiK ToK is a fantastically catchy pop song, but I couldn't even begin to try and defend Ke$ha as a credible artist. But I'm still gonna listen to TiK ToK.

I do however think that there is a general lack of appreciation for GOOD pop music these days, some people just write off pop as a genre because it's 'mainstream' and assume it's meaningless tripe. But if they took the time too look, as one needs to do in ANY genre, there is actually some high quality pop music still being made.

[Visage]

I appreciate musical taste differs from one to another, but it feels like most people love all this manufactured bands.

My taste differs to what mood I'm in.

From Pink Floyd to the Beatles.
From David Bowie to T-Rex.
From Gary Numan to Malcolm McLaren.
From Kate Bush to Suzanne Vega.
From Japan To Echo & The Bunnymen.
From Visage to Adam & The Ants.
From The Alarm to The Damned
From Meat Loaf to Queen
From Toyah to Blondie.
From Depeche Mode to Yazoo.
From Tears For Fears to Marillion.
From Oasis to Pulp.
From Mamas & The Papas to Fleetwood Mac
From Milltown Brothers to James.
From Eminem to Dr Dre.
From OMD to La Roux.
From The Killers to Green Day.
From Hurts to The Script.

I could go on..............

[BB_Eye]

Originally Posted by MrGaryy

saying that music taste is a matter of a opinion is all fine and well but ultimately...you know what's up. I think I have a healthy balance of being able to appreciate a catchy song without necessarily justifying the singer as a credible artist. For example, I think TiK ToK is a fantastically catchy pop song, but I couldn't even begin to try and defend Ke$ha as a credible artist. But I'm still gonna listen to TiK ToK.

The thing is just because a song has a hook or hummable melody doesn't automatically make it good. Actually in some circumstances, hooks can make a song even more annoying, especially if it's in a major key. (Cheryl Cole - "Fight for the Love", The Feeling - "Show Some Love")

Madonna never fails to deliver on catchy tunes, credit where it's due, but I still can't stand her music which is artificial, unimaginative and totally lacking in personality.

Originally Posted by MrGaryy

I do however think that there is a general lack of appreciation for GOOD pop music these days, some people just write off pop as a genre because it's 'mainstream' and assume it's meaningless tripe. But if they took the time too look, as one needs to do in ANY genre, there is actually some high quality pop music still being made.

I agree with this to an extent, but it's most definitely not true of UK pop music, which is almost universally abysmal.

[KG.]

Lol at music snobs.

Listen to what you like, don't cry about it.

[InOne]

Stop being so dramatic KG, if people didn't listen to crap then we wouldn't have to pass comment.

[MrGaryy]

Originally Posted by BB_Eye

The thing is just because a song has a hook or hummable melody doesn't automatically make it good. Actually in some circumstances, hooks can make a song even more annoying, especially if it's in a major key. (Cheryl Cole - "Fight for the Love", The Feeling - "Show Some Love")

Madonna never fails to deliver on catchy tunes, credit where it's due, but I still can't stand her music which is artificial, unimaginative and totally lacking in personality.

I agree with this to an extent, but it's most definitely not true of UK pop music, which is almost universally abysmal.

Hmm, my first instinct is to agree with you but there have been a few great pop albums in the last few years from British artists like La Roux, Marina + The Diamonds, Lily Allen, to name a few.

[Big Sexy]

Originally Posted by lol

Damn right he is.
And dunno, his music has reggae touch to it, but I guess it could also be classed as dance/techno in some ways.

What sort of touch is this?

There's no need to guess. It's definately modern dance music. The only possible way I imagine you could have gotten the reggae connection was the fact that -

err, well

... some of his songs sample vocals by people with black skin?

[Harry!]

Originally Posted by BB_Eye

Madonna never fails to deliver on catchy tunes, credit where it's due, but I still can't stand her music which is artificial, unimaginative and totally lacking in personality.

I guess you have never properly listened to her Like A Prayer/Ray Of Light/American Life albums then... They lyrics in them ones have true meanings in them. Even albums like Confessions have meanful lyrics even if they are modern feel to it.

I would say I have a good taste in music, better then some people my age anyway.

[BB_Eye]

Originally Posted by Harry!

I guess you have never properly listened to her Like A Prayer/Ray Of Light/American Life albums then... They lyrics in them ones have true meanings in them. Even albums like Confessions have meanful lyrics even if they are modern feel to it.

I would say I have a good taste in music, better then some people my age anyway.

As I say, my musical snobbery mostly stops when it comes to actual people and their personal tastes. As much as I get some laughs out of MM&I's posts, I respect the fact that s/he is not afraid to admit what they like. Admitting to listening to Madonna by the same token takes a certain honesty and lack of vanity and I don't doubt most people listen to what they do because they enjoy it.

[lol]

Originally Posted by Big Sexy

What sort of touch is this?

There's no need to guess. It's definately modern dance music. The only possible way I imagine you could have gotten the reggae connection was the fact that -

err, well

... some of his songs sample vocals by people with black skin?

It's nothing to do with who sings his songs, it just feels Reggae to me. Not much of a big deal anyway, I still like his music no matter what genre it is. :P

[Niamh.]

Obviously everyone thinks they have good taste in music, they wouldn't like what they liked if they didn't think it was good

[Big Sexy]

Originally Posted by lol

It's nothing to do with who sings his songs, it just feels Reggae to me, I'm not a genre elitist so idk if it's dance or reggae lol, not much of a big deal anyway, I still like his music no matter what genre it is.

Originally Posted by lolwut

Thrash metal, Progressive metal, Groove metal, Cello metal, Goblin metal etc.

Heh.

'Naming obscure genres makes me knowledgable'. It doesn't work like that. Especially when so many of those subgenres just fit into the greater genre of '****ty metal'. Metal fans are the only people to do this needlessly in order to sound crazy. Pop fans never saw the need to invent pointless subgenres just because an extra musical element has been added so what is such a stagnant, samey breed of noise. There's an oboe after been added on to the screams! Let's call it oboe metal!

And knowing the difference between reggae and dance doesn't make you a 'genre elitist' no more that knowing that Daft Punk is not jazz.

Although considering your unique way of looking at it I could get some freedom of thought in and just tell people I think it 'feels' like jazz.

[lol]

Originally Posted by Big Sexy

Heh.

'Naming obscure genres makes me knowledgable'. It doesn't work like that. Especially when so many of those subgenres just fit into the greater genre of '****ty metal'. Metal fans are the only people to do this needlessly in order to sound crazy. Pop fans never saw the need to invent pointless subgenres just because an extra musical element has been added so what is such a stagnant, samey breed of noise. There's an oboe after been added on to the screams! Let's call it oboe metal!

And knowing the difference between reggae and dance doesn't make you a 'genre elitist' no more that knowing that Daft Punk is not jazz.

Although considering your unique way of looking at it I could get some freedom of thought in and just tell people I think it 'feels' like jazz.

Lol? Why do you start random arguments? When did I ever say naming "obscure" genres makes me knowledgeable? I simply put the bands I like in their proper genres. ****ty metal? I don't really core what you think of metal, you can generalise and stereotype metal fans all you want, but that's not going to change anyones opinion. How is it to sound crazy? It's just giving specific genres, because there's a wide range of metal. Screams?

You seriously are an idiot if you think metal is "screaming"
Please, don't try insult metal when you don't know what it is, you've obviously been listening to -core stuff and mistaking it for metal, therefore stereotyping all metal bands in the most stupid ways.

Look, I don't give a crap about whether he's dance or reggae, I just listed him as one of my favourite musicians, can't you just understand that?

I just think it has a reggae touch to it, why are you being so hostile and acting like a ***** towards me? I don't get it, have I ever said anything to you before?

Open your mind, I doubt you've heard every single metal band, it's not random noise, it's real music just like any other genre.

[CaraRawr]

^ this.

[Big Sexy]

Originally Posted by lol

Lol? Why do you start random arguments? When did I ever say naming "obscure" genres makes me knowledgeable? I simply put the bands I like in their proper genres. ****ty metal? I don't really core what you think of metal, you can generalise and stereotype metal fans all you want, but that's not going to change anyones opinion. How is it to sound crazy? It's just giving specific genres, because there's a wide range of metal. Screams?

You seriously are an idiot if you think metal is "screaming"
Please, don't try insult metal when you don't know what it is, you've obviously been listening to -core stuff and mistaking it for metal, therefore stereotyping all metal bands in the most stupid ways.

Look, I don't give a crap about whether he's dance or reggae, I just listed him as one of my favourite musicians, can't you just understand that?

I just think it has a reggae touch to it, why are you being so hostile and acting like a ***** towards me? I don't get it, have I ever said anything to you before?

Open your mind, I doubt you've heard every single metal band, it's not random noise, it's real music just like any other genre.

Heh. Way to complete loose the plot. How many assumptions did you manage to cram into that one angsty little outburst? I never said metal was just screaming. I never confused metal with 'core'. I do know what metal is - I just don't like it. Your just proving my point as I go along, really. Getting very touchy about genres yet saying you don't care about the difference between reggae and dance because your not a 'genre elitist'.

Because apparently I guess in your musical world being able to tell these two utterly distinct types of music apart results in 'elitism'?

It was a dumb, silly comment. Especially after your ultra pretentious shopping list of genres you named off to look impressive. And don't say that's not what it was done for.

That's why I took issue.

[BB_Eye]

Originally Posted by Big Sexy

Heh. Way to complete loose the plot. How many assumptions did you manage to cram into that one angsty little outburst? I never said metal was just screaming. I never confused metal with 'core'. I do know what metal is - I just don't like it. Your just proving my point as I go along, really. Getting very touchy about genres yet saying you don't care about the difference between reggae and dance because your not a 'genre elitist'.

Because apparently I guess in your musical world being able to tell these two utterly distinct types of music apart results in 'elitism'?

It was a dumb, silly comment. Especially after your ultra pretentious shopping list of genres you named off to look impressive. And don't say that's not what it was done for.

That's why I took issue.

Actually, I think he was quite calm and grown-up in light of your previous post. You are very rude.

[lol]

Originally Posted by Big Sexy

Heh. Way to complete loose the plot. How many assumptions did you manage to cram into that one angsty little outburst? I never said metal was just screaming. I never confused metal with 'core'. I do know what metal is - I just don't like it. Your just proving my point as I go along, really. Getting very touchy about genres yet saying you don't care about the difference between reggae and dance because your not a 'genre elitist'.

Because apparently I guess in your musical world being able to tell these two utterly distinct types of music apart results in 'elitism'?

It was a dumb, silly comment. Especially after your ultra pretentious shopping list of genres you named off to look impressive. And don't say that's not what it was done for.

That's why I took issue.

You say I'm assuming things, yet you just generalised every single metal fan and band in the world. That's hypocriticism at its peak.

You did confuse metal with core. You said it's just screaming. Metal is not screaming. -Core genres are screaming. Therefore you hate -core genres, and not actual metal, I doubt you've even heard any metal bands.

I wasn't getting touchy about anything, I just said I felt it had a reggae touch to it, I wasn't going ballistic like you are with the metal genres. You are the one who seems to be going mad because I mixed up two different genres.

No, your reply was. You don't know anything about metal, yet you call it "screaming" and "noise". You have a close mind. You don't even know me in real life, yet you accuse me of listening the genres to make myself look impressive.

It's completely false, I just listed the musicians I like and put them in their correct genres, incase any of you like them and want to hear more music from that certain genre. Please don't make pathetic assumptions of someone you don't know, thanks.

[InOne]

This thread has got so passionate

[Big Sexy]

Originally Posted by lol

You say I'm assuming things, yet you just generalised every single metal fan and band in the world. That's hypocriticism at its peak.

You did confuse metal with core. You said it's just screaming. Metal is not screaming. -Core genres are screaming. Therefore you hate -core genres, and not actual metal, I doubt you've even heard any metal bands.

I wasn't getting touchy about anything, I just said I felt it had a reggae touch to it, I wasn't going ballistic like you are with the metal genres. You are the one who seems to be going mad because I mixed up two different genres.

No, your reply was. You don't know anything about metal, yet you call it "screaming" and "noise". You have a close mind. You don't even know me in real life, yet you accuse me of listening the genres to make myself look impressive.

It's completely false, I just listed the musicians I like and put them in their correct genres, incase any of you like them and want to hear more music from that certain genre. Please don't make pathetic assumptions of someone you don't know, thanks.

Again no. I did not. I made an offhand comment about screming. I didn't actually say metal consisted purely of screaming. So stop saying I confused the two.
And if you can't see the inherent irony in what you done then of course you think I'm just some rude douche without a point to make. Being able to tell the difference between reggae and dance requires 'elitism'?

And stop saying I don't 'get' or 'understand' metal.

I just don't like it.

It's that simple.

Really.

[lol]

Originally Posted by Big Sexy

Again no. I did not. I made an offhand comment about screming. I didn't actually say metal consisted purely of screaming. So stop saying I confused the two.
And if you can't see the inherent irony in what you done then of course you think I'm just some rude douche without a point to make. Being able to tell the difference between reggae and dance requires 'elitism'?

And stop saying I don't 'get' or 'understand' metal.

I just don't like it.

It's that simple.

Really.

Ok, here's a few lines of what you said.

"Especially when so many of those subgenres just fit into the greater genre of '****ty metal'. Metal fans are the only people to do this needlessly in order to sound crazy. Pop fans never saw the need to invent pointless subgenres just because an extra musical element has been added so what is such a stagnant, samey breed of noise. There's an oboe after been added on to the screams! Let's call it oboe metal!"

Ok, the thing is, when you say "added on to the screams", it gives me the message that you think all metal is "screaming".

1. Barely any metal is screaming.

2. Subgenres aren't made "in order to sound crazy", metal has a huge variety of instruments and types of vocals used within it.

3. Subgenres aren't "pointless", if you had an open mind, you'd understand that.

4. Metal subgenres aren't just 1 more extra musical element added to the "samey breed of noise", they are very different, once again, if you had an open mind you'd realise that.

5. You don't know what metal is, which is why you dislike it. You probably heard some core band and suddenly generalised it as if every metal band screams and has "chug chug" breakdowns and stuff.

6. Bands like Metallica have influenced a LOT of modern bands, not just metal. It's not just random noise. It's meaningful art. Songs like "Fade to Black" are a gift to the music industry.

7. It's fine that you don't like metal. I never said you should, I'm not mad at you for not liking it. It would be wrong of me to insult you because of your taste. All I'm saying is that you don't need to suddenly start random arguments because I'm an "angry teenager metulz kid" and that you hate metal, I got confused between 2 genres ok, give it a rest already.

[Mark]

multiple account

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Mark

multiple account

Never heard of them

[Stacey.]

What was a multiple account?

[King Gizzard]

Originally Posted by Mark

multiple account

Going to see them in March