[InOne]

You all only have Religions idea of what a god should be as well. Any idea you think is "out of the box" came from someone else.

Love how people seem to think one god is any more logical that many gods.

[Marsh.]

Since when did religious people think the ideas in their religion is "out of the box"?

[InOne]

I meant these people who are deists and stuff like that. All that new age crap

[Marsh.]

Oh, right.

[arista]

"I think our bodies are just vessels for our spirits. "



Yank Twaddle

[arista]

"Atheists are overwhelmingly more closeted than religious people about their beliefs."


Bang On Right
Stu.

[Sticks]

Atheists show quite a lot of faith

They have to believe that nothing gives rise to something, That which is non living gives rise to to living, in spite of all experiments proving the contrary and unconscious gives rise to conscious.

[InOne]

I think "Atheists" that argue Religion and there isn't a God all that time aren't proper Atheists, they care too much. I was like that at one point, got quite into Dawkins and all that, now I just don't bother or even think about it.

[Angus]

Still not one shred of proof either way really, is there?

[InOne]

Originally Posted by angus58

Still not one shred of proof either way really, is there?

Depends what your idea of a God is?

[Angus]

Originally Posted by InOne

Depends what your idea of a God is?

Empirical evidence does not yet exist either for or against the existence of deity(ies), so ultimately a person's idea of God will fit in with their unique belief system and they will rationalise and justify the existence of their deity(ies) of choice. I neither believe nor disbelieve in God(s), as I think the jury is still out, but rather in a way of life that I feel comfortable living, the principle tenet of which is to treat others as you would like to be treated. That simple principle covers most bases.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by angus58

Empirical evidence does not yet exist either for or against the existence of deity(ies), so ultimately a person's idea of God will fit in with their unique belief system and they will rationalise and justify the existence of their deity(ies) of choice. I neither believe nor disbelieve in God(s), as I think the jury is still out, but rather in a way of life that I feel comfortable living, the principle tenet of which is to treat others as you would like to be treated. That simple principle covers most bases.

Still, any idea you have is an invented one (by man) And you don't need to be religious to follow the golden rule

[Angus]

Originally Posted by InOne

Still, any idea you have is an invented one (by man) And you don't need to be religious to follow the golden rule

It does seem strange that in this day and age with all the scientific advances and technology etc, no-one is able to definitively disprove the existence of God(s), anymore than all the religions in the world are able to offer definitive proof of the existence of their worshipped deity(ies). My point exactly is that the only tenet necessary to ensure harmony, justice, fairness and decency IS the "golden rule" I, and thankfully many others live by. I consider atheism as much a "religious" belief as any other, since it is entrenched, stubbornly held and blindly followed despite there being no empirical evidence to support it.

[BB_Eye]

I disagree that atheism is a faith like religions are. Atheism, at least in the anglophone tradition, is taking an empirical argument and using it as your grounds for knowledge. If you don't agree that knowledge can be mostly, if not exclusively, derived from experience, then fair enough. It's open to debate, but doubt is not the same thing as faith.

Personally I don't think you can profess a non-belief in God without also dismissing the Judaeo-Christian idea of good and evil (is Christian morality not equally as supernatural as Christian faith?) and I'll bet very few self-proclaimed atheists would be willing to do that

[arista]

For 08Marsh

Me Rude?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by arista

For 08Marsh

Me Rude?

I love science fiction. Thanks for the tip.

[arista]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

I love science fiction. Thanks for the tip.

No he even did a great Ch4 Docu on it.


There Is No God

I am Rude on that.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by arista

No he even did a great Ch4 Docu on it.


There Is No God

I am Rude on that.

Yet you still offer no absolute PROOF.

[arista]

Originally Posted by angus58

Yet you still offer no absolute PROOF.

I do not have to.


You as the God Trustee
Have to Prove it.

[BB_Eye]

Originally Posted by angus58

Yet you still offer no absolute PROOF.

Why do you need absolute proof? Lets both agree that there is no benevolent primordial creator physically intervening in the affairs of the world. The merciless cruelty and moral indifference of the world is proof enough of that.

Christians are right to point out that the existence of a world independent of our senses can never be absolutely disproven. But the greatest error Christians make (and many non-Christians too) is to propose that knowledge of 'a priori truths' such as the existence of God, the eternal or universal truths offer us any lasting insight into the human condition or even any such possible metaphysical world. Only a Christian needs such absolution.

[Sticks]

On the other hand

This title



Is also available from Amazon

[arista]

Of course Sticks
But mine was from Play.com

[arista]

Of course Sticks
But mine was from Play.com

[Harry!]

Originally Posted by arista

Of course Sticks
But mine was from Play.com

[Stu]

It's not science fiction though. It's conclusion is that '... there is probably no God'. It doesn't make anything up or set forth an absoloute theory of everything for a model dependant universe, regardless of Dawkin's own beliefs.