[Jarrod]

The C5 Program is sad. :/

[Grimnir]

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by Grimnir

the official version of 9/11 is bull****

people who blindly accept anything they get told are ****ing morons and deserve everything coming to them

libya war is bull****. bin laden death was bull****

you people all love your bull****

once it kicks off in iran and pakistan there will be a false flag nuclear attack on america and all the same people will believe the bull****

BASTARDS

well why don't YOU enlighten us and tell us exactly what went down seen as you obviously know it all? Funny how people on internet forums always think they know the real truth.

and whatever theory you come up with I bet it throws up far far more baffling questions than the official version.

Me, Ill stick with the simple notion that it really was a spectacular terrorist attack. Because, frankly, that really does make the most sense. By far.

[InOne]

That prog on ch5 was so depressing

A good insight to the lives affect though I guess

[Livia]

The thing that sticks out like a sore thumb to me about 9/11 was that a plane hit the Pentagon and left no wreckage. Until someone can explain that, I guess the "missile" theories will continue.

[GypsyGoth]

Originally Posted by Livia

The thing that sticks out like a sore thumb to me about 9/11 was that a plane hit the Pentagon and left no wreckage. Until someone can explain that, I guess the "missile" theories will continue.

In a show the other night they said that the person heading the crime scene investigation had it all removed so it could be examined, she was interviewed and it showed photos of people carrying some wreckage away.


edit: this was one of the pics I think http://www.911myths.com/html/pentagon_18.html

[Livia]

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

In a show the other night they said that the person heading the crime scene investigation had it all removed so it could be examined, she was interviewed and it showed photos of people carrying some wreckage away.

How long would it take to remove wreckage from a passenger plane? I've seen aerial photographs taken less then an hour after the impact; there were marks on the ground, lamp posts had been bent horizontal but there was no wreckage. I expect all sorts of photographic evidence exists but I've not seen anything yet that makes me think, ahhh yeah - that's what happened. I'm not saying I buy into the conspiricy theory, but when things don't add up you start making up your own ending.

[lostalex]

I'm not anti-conspiracy theorists at all, I love conspiracy theories. I'm way into UFO's especially, so i'm not gonna be the kind of person who will say that conspiracy theorists are stupid or crazy or just trying to sell books...

...that being said, I don't believe that 9/11 was an inside job. If it was an inside job it would literally require THOUSANDS of people to put it togther, and i don't believe for a second that thousands of Americans could keep their mouths shut. Americans are KNOWN around the world for being loud mouths lol, and it's true.

I think people see the American =government as being in control of everything all the time, almost omnipotent, but they arn't. The US government can't even balance the budget, but you think they could conspire and hide something as big as this?

America doesn't need an excuse to start wars, just look at Iraq. So why would they do 9/11 just to invade afghanistan, a country that NO ONE cares about, and has NO OIL, and NO benefit to America whatsoever.

Ibelieve 9/11 was exactly what it seems. Especially because it had already been tried before in 1993.

I would like to ask the conspiracy theorists, do they also believe that the al-queda attack on the twin towers in 1993 was also an inside job?

[Grimnir]

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Grimnir

USA has a debt of around 14 billion. Who does it owe this debt to?
The same people who OWN the USA. Just like any company or business, they need to make money. Huge amounts of money.
War is a great way for them to make money.
Doesn't matter what they fight for, as long as there is WAR.
USA has to "borrow" MONEY to fight all these wars it engages in.
Sometimes the wars have bonuses such as OIL or in the case of Afghanistan OPIUM (Taliban put a virtual end to opium farms).
There always has to be "the enemy".
For a long time is was the dirty communist. Any enemy of the USA was labelled a commie, dirty red scum. Why? Because they were opposed to capitalism. Why is this bad? MONEY. Its bad for business.
Now the enemy is ISLAM. War on terror. 9/11 triggered everyone to fear and hate Islam. They are the boogeyman.
The US government is a puppet of the mega wealthy and powerful bankers and businessmen. The world is a business. The board are evil.
Majority of people are stupid and naive, they make excellent customers and consumers.

Proof that a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

[Grimnir]

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Grimnir

or maybe you are scared of truth and prefer to live in ignorance because its easier that way
you refuse the possibility that you could be on the side of evil

I'm not living in ignorance. I like to think I can keep an open mind about stuff... but people who bang on about the evils of capitalism and how America is the ultimate evil are usually the ones who accuse others of being "stupid and naive"... which is exactly what you said in your previous post.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Grimnir

For a long time is was the dirty communist. Any enemy of the USA was labelled a commie, dirty red scum. Why? Because they were opposed to capitalism. Why is this bad? MONEY. Its bad for business.

If you think the only reason communism is bad is because of money, then you really need to study communist regimes. It's not MONEY that makes them so evil. They are totalitarian regimes that strip rights from everyone supposedly for the "greater good" Dude seriously, talk to people who actually lived under communist regimes in soviet russia, or china, or north korea, or cuba, and then tell me that it's just about money.

Communism isn't about money, it's about totalitarianism. America was right to fight it.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by lostalex

If you think the only reason communism is bad is because of money, then you really need to study communist regimes. It's not MONEY that makes them so evil. They are totalitarian regimes that strip rights from everyone supposedly for the "greater good" Dude seriously, talk to people who actually lived under communist regimes in soviet russia, or china, or north korea, or cuba, and then tell me that it's just about money.

Communism isn't about money, it's about totalitarianism. America was right to fight it.

It's not like those things are actually inherent in Communism though, and most Communists would deny those countries were anything like what Socialism should be, especially China and North Korea (who dont even claim to be Communist anyway)

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by MTVN

It's not like those things are actually inherent in Communism though, and most Communists would deny those countries were anything like what Socialism should be, especially China and North Korea (who dont even claim to be Communist anyway)

Well it may not be inherent, but i don't think you can give me an example of a successful communist regime that wasn't totalitarian, can you?

Can you name any successful communist regime that wasn't totalitarian, that actually had democracy and freedom at it's core? I can't think of any.

The whole point of communism is that the government tells you how to live your life, for the greater good of the country. You don't get to choose how you live, or what you study, or how many children you have, or who your leaders are, Communism in every practical sense, is totalitarian.

[Zippy]

I love how Grimnir speaks of America like its run by cold calculating robots on some evil mission.

Be more specific. These decisions are made by humans. Who exactly are you accusing and what is their individual motives for being involved in such evil plotting? How many do you think are in on all of this? Don't you think there would be leaks?

Its easy to make these sweeping accusations but when you zoom in on the individuals who run America its very hard to see why they would behave in such a ruthless calculating way. They have way too much to lose if caught out. You speak as if theyre some tight collective with the same twisted thinking. Who exactly are you accusing?

for all your yapping about US debt and motive you fall way short on specific details.

[Grimnir]

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Grimnir

.........much better to just take the money, keep schtum and accept the status quo
keep their heads buried in sand just like everyone else does

Everyone... except you, presumably.

[Grimnir]

[Zippy]

Grimnir

so please be specific about who you believe was responsible for 9/11? who plotted it, executed it and has thousands of peoples blood on their hands?

see, this is where we get down to specific accusations against specific people.

[Grimnir]

[Grimnir]

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by Grimnir

you can accept that 19 muslims were responsible for 9/11 right?

can you accept the idea that it was "americans" responsible?

There is documented evidence of Osama bin ladens involvement in the 9/11 attack going back to 1996. Including video footage of him actually with two of the hijackers prior to the attacks. There is recorded confessions of his participation and prior knowledge of the attacks.

The vast majority of the 19 hijackers involved were from Saudi arabia with the other few from UAE, Lebanon and Egypt.

Are you saying Osama wasn't involved? That the hijackers were not guilty of the crime? Or they were actually Americans?

TBH Im not even sure what you're saying because you're being very vague and clouding the issue with references to slavery and communism etc.

I just want you to put out there a clear and precise version of what you think happened on 9/11. Who planned it and who is directly responsible for nearly 3000 deaths. The topic is specifically about 9/11.

[Grimnir]

[Grimnir]