[Liberty4eva]

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

It will be difficult for them to prove if you already think it's a conspiracy before you see the evidence.

Maybe having a more opened mind might help, so far I don't see a reason to distrust them.

GypsyGoth, for anyone who says they don't see reason to doubt government on issues like this, I advise you to read into history. History is on the side of the people who doubt the government's story. They lie all the time.

For all the people who have commented pejoratively that this is all a conspiracy theory, firstly I'd say you're right that this is a conspiracy theory. Secondly, I'd ask have you ever heard of Pat Tillman?

Pat Tillman was a former American football player who quit his lucrative multi-million dollar NFL career and joined the army in response to 9/11. He was killed by friendly fire and yet the Pentagon officials lied to his family and the American people and said he was killed by enemy fire to make him look like even more of a hero. This was a conspiracy... that turned out to be right.

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Those of you who think government would not or is unlikely to lie on an issue like this, you need to look into history and you need to wake up.

[GypsyGoth]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

GypsyGoth, for anyone who says they don't see reason to doubt government on issues like this, I advise you to read into history. History is on the side of the people who doubt the government's story. They lie all the time.

I'm not naive, I know government don't always tell the truth, especially when it comes to issues about a war.

However before they said anything, it seemed like you were calling them liars.

[Liberty4eva]

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

I'm not naive, I know government don't always tell the truth, especially when it comes to issues about a war.

However before they said anything, it seemed like you were calling them liars.

I started openly calling them liars the moment they said they buried him at sea. When they said that I came to the opinion that it was all a farce. Since 9/11 we've spent over 3000 days trying to get this guy. And after all that time once we finally get his body we dump it into the ocean less than 2 hours after announcing we got him? It doesn't add up. It doesn't make any sense.

[Patrick]

Am I the only one that doesn't give a ******?

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Patrick

Am I the only one that doesn't give a ******?

Well, he hasnt got big t*ts so I'm not too surprised that you dont give a sh*t.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Well, he hasnt got big t*ts so I'm not too surprised that you dont give a sh*t.

[lighthorse]

I wonder why the people of pakistan haven’t yet caused an outcry as to how the US government illegally crossed an international border, attacked a house, murdered it’s inhabitants, stole a body of a person they’d killed, without giving any proof to the government or people of that country as to justify the crime they’d committed, and then “dumped it in the sea” well short of the amount of time it takes to do a proper dna test which apparently takes a few days of code reading. And then have the audacity to blame the country they illegally entered for harbouring an unconvicted (not even charged with a crime)person. Even if they handed over the body of the person they’d murdered for examination it would have been illegal.

[lighthorse]

http://polidics.com/911/the-agendas-...ews-event.html

[billy123]

Originally Posted by lighthorse

I wonder why the people of pakistan haven’t yet caused an outcry as to how the US government illegally crossed an international border, attacked a house, murdered it’s inhabitants, stole a body of a person they’d killed, without giving any proof to the government or people of that country as to justify the crime they’d committed, and then “dumped it in the sea” well short of the amount of time it takes to do a proper dna test which apparently takes a few days of code reading. And then have the audacity to blame the country they illegally entered for harbouring an unconvicted (not even charged with a crime)person. Even if they handed over the body of the person they’d murdered for examination it would have been illegal.

Your use of the word "apparently" confirms your guessing and therefore full of excrement.
It might be true it might not but to make a fool of yourself by committing to the tin hat brigade without any facts to back it up shows a lack of intelligence.

well done.

(I usually giggle at the way some people who should know better judge me by the stare in my sig but in this case horsey judge me by my sig)

[Grimnir]

i like how someone decided it be good to film Bin Laden whilst he sat watching the tele, good stuff

[joeysteele]

I think he is dead obviously, I can now understand why they disposed of him at sea,so as not to have his burial place a shrine for his followers and some great focal point for the great Martyr.

However the way all this happened seems to have a different twist to the story every time they say something new.So it's understandable people have doubts.

It does have discrepancies in the continuity of the story of the events and so I too have some doubt as to the way it all took place, I remain just glad this really awful person has finally gone from the World.

[Liberty4eva]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I think he is dead obviously, I can now understand why they disposed of him at sea,so as not to have his burial place a shrine for his followers and some great focal point for the great Martyr.
However the way all this happened seems to have a different twist to the story every time they say something new.So it's understandable people have doubts.

It does have discrepancies in the continuity of the story of the events and so I too have some doubt as to the way it all took place, I remain just glad this really awful person has finally gone from the World.

Why do we even have to give some Middle Eastern country his body? Why not take it to the States? You people who believe what the government is telling you are not asking yourselves these types of questions.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

Why do we even have to give some Middle Eastern country his body? Why not take it to the States? You people who believe what the government is telling you are not asking yourselves these types of questions.

Why take it to the States? To parade it round in some media circus, yeah that would go down well both in the West and the Muslim world.

They offered his body back to the country of his birth, he was after all a Saudi citizen. They probably didnt fancy the hassle of burying it and dealing with any potential aftermath so refused, whats so hard to believe?

Doesnt matter what sort of proof they offer, you just wont believe them will you?

[Liberty4eva]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Why take it to the States? To parade it round in some media circus, yeah that would go down well both in the West and the Muslim world.

They offered his body back to the country of his birth, he was after all a Saudi citizen. They probably didnt fancy the hassle of burying it and dealing with any potential aftermath so refused, whats so hard to believe?

Doesnt matter what sort of proof they offer, you just wont believe them will you?

They don't seem that interested in proving they killed Osama bin Laden. If they were interested they would have kept the body and let people examine it. Having the body is the ultimate proof that they killed him and so why be so eager to ditch it into the ocean?

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

They don't seem that interested in proving they killed Osama bin Laden. If they were interested they would have kept the body and let people examine it. Having the body is the ultimate proof that they killed him and so why be so eager to ditch it into the ocean?

So as not to be seen to glorify in his death, which in turn would probably have upset a lot of Muslims and swelled recruits to Al Qaeda cause.

The US administration is damned whatever they do, if they show all they are seen as glorifying in his death in turn making him a martyr. If they dont show more evidential proof then the conspiracy nuts like yourself shout about how its all government lies.

No matter what proof they offer now the nuts will say its all doctored. Its a shame you only think about what they have to gain by lying, never what they have to loose.

If Al Qaeda came forward with the body of Bin Laden and said he actually died 6 years ago or whatever, and proved it. It totally destroys the credibility of both this and future US governments. If it wasnt him and he comes forward, same result. You think Obama would risk his administration on that sort of call?

[Tom4784]

I agree with the 'wait for the evidence before you start shrieking out conspiracies' lot. There isn't any proof to support the conspiracy theory outside a questionable disposal which has already been given an explanation and the blanks have just been filled in with wild conjecture and assumptions, like most conspiracies are.

[Grimnir]

the story has completely changed yet again just now

at first they said obama and his team were watching the seal operation in real time, i heard and saw brennan say this in live press conference

now they have said they only saw the approach to the compound and nothing inside

why is it a conspiracy to not believe a story that is constantly changing and their is no proof provided?

[CharlieO]

Originally Posted by Grimnir

the story has completely changed yet again just now

at first they said obama and his team were watching the seal operation in real time, i heard and saw brennan say this in live press conference

now they have said they only saw the approach to the compound and nothing inside

why is it a conspiracy to not believe a story that is constantly changing and their is no proof provided?

This.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by CharlieOsborne

This.

Yes I know absolute shocking use of the English Language.

No one is saying it is a conspiracy to not believe the official line.

Its people saying that it is a conspiracy by the US administration simply because they arent aware of all the facts.

Thats why they are called conspiracy nuts because every official announcement is greeted by calls of "hidden conspiracies/agendas" etc.

They cant grasp the fact that the people that have been elected to make decisions in their name have done just that and made decisions.

Or they cant grasp the reality that sometimes decisions are made to keep certain information out of the public domain for a variety of security reasons. If for example they did air the whole of the SEAL raid on the compound any person viewing it would be able to determine current COIN tactical practices and develop counter tactics which would undermine future operational successes.

As for the release of the photos of the Dead Bin Liner, there is also the possibility that he wasn't killed in a firefight but captured alive then made to kneel and received a nine millimetre to the base of the skull, In some people`s eyes it is no more than he deserved, however that information wouldnt go down too well in certain quarters would it?

A photograph of his corpse may in fact show that the above scenario was the probable cause of his demise.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Yes I know absolute shocking use of the English Language.

No one is saying it is a conspiracy to not believe the official line.

Its people saying that it is a conspiracy by the US administration simply because they arent aware of all the facts.

Thats why they are called conspiracy nuts because every official announcement is greeted by calls of "hidden conspiracies/agendas" etc.

They cant grasp the fact that the people that have been elected to make decisions in their name have done just that and made decisions.

Or they cant grasp the reality that sometimes decisions are made to keep certain information out of the public domain for a variety of security reasons. If for example they did air the whole of the SEAL raid on the compound any person viewing it would be able to determine current COIN tactical practices and develop counter tactics which would undermine future operational successes.

As for the release of the photos of the Dead Bin Liner, there is also the possibility that he wasn't killed in a firefight but captured alive then made to kneel and received a nine millimetre to the base of the skull, In some people`s eyes it is no more than he deserved, however that information wouldnt go down too well in certain quarters would it?

A photograph of his corpse may in fact show that the above scenario was the probable cause of his demise.

This.

To reinforce the part in bold. If they released the pictures with audio people would be able to hear call signs and nicknames used by special forces. All useful information any terrorist watching.

Any pictures released will have to be heavily edited which would again bring cries of conspiracy from many people. They're damned if they do, damned if they dont.

[joeysteele]

Typical of the American leaders to manage to do the right thing as to ending his life but then to make such a mess of the exercise to explain all the events with continuity as to the actual event.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Youtube video

Ummm, move the camera!

Lol rage much? he's crazy!

[arista]

Originally Posted by Ithinkiloveyoutoo

Youtube video

Ummm, move the camera!

Lol rage much? he's crazy!

He is Anal
keeps going on about ******s,

[Zippy]

Im just sick of them boasting about this as if its a huge success and shows the US to have highly intelligent services that can hunt down anybody anywhere...blahblah

er...TEN YEARS!

seems your intelligence is a bit slooooooow. Better late than never but its nothing to brag about taking that long(and spending billions) to do a job that should have been done 10 years back.

Seems people are easily fooled into seeing a blatant fail as a huge success. Nice PR spin.

[MTVN]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-13313201

Al-Qaeda has confirmed the death of its leader Osama Bin Laden, according to a statement attributed to the group and posted on jihadist internet forums.

The statement said his blood would not be "wasted" and that al-Qaeda would continue attacking the US and allies.

Bin Laden's death would be a "curse" for the US and urged an uprising in Pakistan, the statement added.

The militant was shot dead on Monday when US commandos stormed his compound in the Pakistani town of Abbottabad.

The raid was carried out without the prior knowledge of the Pakistani authorities, increasing tension between the two countries.

Several rallies are being held across Pakistan on Friday in protest.

The statement published on jihadist web forums said an audiotape would be released of the al-Qaeda leader speaking a week before his death.

"[Osama Bin Laden's blood] will remain, with permission from Allah, the Almighty, a curse that chases the Americans and their agents, and goes after them inside and outside their countries," it warned.

"Their happiness will turn into sorrow, and their blood will be mixed with their tears. We call upon our Muslim people in Pakistan, on whose land Sheikh Osama was killed, to rise up and revolt."


The statement appeared on jihadist web forums Correspondents say many Pakistanis are angry at what they see as a US infringement of their country's sovereignty.

They are also critical of Pakistan's government for allowing the commando operation to happen, although officials deny they were told.

Around 1,000 people gathered in central Abbottabad following Friday prayers, AFP news agency reported.

They set fire to tyres, blocked a main road and shouted "Down, down USA!" and "terrorist, terrorist, USA terrorist".

Anti-American sentiment also appeared to be high at a similar protest in the south-western city of Quetta, the capital of Baluchistan province.

However, a BBC correspondent in Rawalpindi says the anti-US protest there was much smaller than expected with about 50 people turning up