[Shasown]

Originally Posted by CharlieOsborne

This.

Yes I know absolute shocking use of the English Language.

No one is saying it is a conspiracy to not believe the official line.

Its people saying that it is a conspiracy by the US administration simply because they arent aware of all the facts.

Thats why they are called conspiracy nuts because every official announcement is greeted by calls of "hidden conspiracies/agendas" etc.

They cant grasp the fact that the people that have been elected to make decisions in their name have done just that and made decisions.

Or they cant grasp the reality that sometimes decisions are made to keep certain information out of the public domain for a variety of security reasons. If for example they did air the whole of the SEAL raid on the compound any person viewing it would be able to determine current COIN tactical practices and develop counter tactics which would undermine future operational successes.

As for the release of the photos of the Dead Bin Liner, there is also the possibility that he wasn't killed in a firefight but captured alive then made to kneel and received a nine millimetre to the base of the skull, In some people`s eyes it is no more than he deserved, however that information wouldnt go down too well in certain quarters would it?

A photograph of his corpse may in fact show that the above scenario was the probable cause of his demise.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Yes I know absolute shocking use of the English Language.

No one is saying it is a conspiracy to not believe the official line.

Its people saying that it is a conspiracy by the US administration simply because they arent aware of all the facts.

Thats why they are called conspiracy nuts because every official announcement is greeted by calls of "hidden conspiracies/agendas" etc.

They cant grasp the fact that the people that have been elected to make decisions in their name have done just that and made decisions.

Or they cant grasp the reality that sometimes decisions are made to keep certain information out of the public domain for a variety of security reasons. If for example they did air the whole of the SEAL raid on the compound any person viewing it would be able to determine current COIN tactical practices and develop counter tactics which would undermine future operational successes.

As for the release of the photos of the Dead Bin Liner, there is also the possibility that he wasn't killed in a firefight but captured alive then made to kneel and received a nine millimetre to the base of the skull, In some people`s eyes it is no more than he deserved, however that information wouldnt go down too well in certain quarters would it?

A photograph of his corpse may in fact show that the above scenario was the probable cause of his demise.

This.

To reinforce the part in bold. If they released the pictures with audio people would be able to hear call signs and nicknames used by special forces. All useful information any terrorist watching.

Any pictures released will have to be heavily edited which would again bring cries of conspiracy from many people. They're damned if they do, damned if they dont.

[Grimnir]

US government has told the world they killed Bin Laden on Sunday night.
All we have is their word for it. We have to trust them. There has been no proof provided for us.
Changing the official story over and over and disposing of the body within 12 hours of the kill makes it more difficult to just take their word for it.

The 2 excuses for burial at sea are
Burial within 24 hours in accordance with Islamic tradition
But Bin Laden is not a muslim, he is a terrorist. They are treating him as a muslim and surely this offends true muslims worldwide who hate Bin Laden and terrorists who give Islam bad name.
Second reason is terrorists might set up a shrine and worship his grave. So what! Who cares if they do, he is dead. It would be no different than when terrorists loonies in our country burn poppies. I think we would survive it
If terrorists turned up to his grave then this would have been a great source of intelligence for future.

10 year manhunt and they finally get him, but they get rid of the body and evidence immediately for those 2 reasons, is just stupid if it is true.

[Grimnir]

The Seals went in and when found him they killed him, he was unarmed. Fine, No problem with that really, anyone would do the same probably.

But what i don't understand is a few hours later on some random aircraft carrier, the armed forces give him a respectful Islamic burial at sea. They also happened to have a muslim seaman on board who said a few prayers.

Why they do this? He was terrorist who had killed thousands of americans and also he was not a muslim. Why the respect and why the Islamic burial?

I think Bin Laden died years ago and the raid is fiction. If they say oh we buried him at sea then nobody can say let us see the body and see the evidence.
Although people say conspiracy, this actually makes more sense to me

They also say the reason for not showing photo of dead corpse of Bin Laden is because it might be inflammatory. Well I don't think the terrorists can get any more angry than being told he was killed by US Navy Seals, inside Pakistan without Pakistan knowing, it was in front of his wife and daughter, he was unarmed, they dumped him at sea and america celebrated ever since. A Photo is gonna make them go over the edge is it? Who cares if they get upset and offended, they are terrorists!

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by Grimnir

The Seals went in and when found him they killed him, he was unarmed. Fine, No problem with that really, anyone would do the same probably.

But what i don't understand is a few hours later on some random aircraft carrier, the armed forces give him a respectful Islamic burial at sea. They also happened to have a muslim seaman on board who said a few prayers.

Why they do this? He was terrorist who had killed thousands of americans and also he was not a muslim. Why the respect and why the Islamic burial?

I think Bin Laden died years ago and the raid is fiction. If they say oh we buried him at sea then nobody can say let us see the body and see the evidence.
Although people say conspiracy, this actually makes more sense to me

They also say the reason for not showing photo of dead corpse of Bin Laden is because it might be inflammatory. Well I don't think the terrorists can get any more angry than being told he was killed by US Navy Seals, inside Pakistan without Pakistan knowing, it was in front of his wife and daughter, he was unarmed, they dumped him at sea and america celebrated ever since. A Photo is gonna make them go over the edge is it? Who cares if they get upset and offended, they are terrorists!

They did it to show respect to another human being, do you think taking him back to America and poking his body would have made the Middle East happy? They did it to show the Middle East that they can show respect to even their greatest enemy, and to show, they're better than them.

[Grimnir]

Originally Posted by Chewy

They did it to show respect to another human being, do you think taking him back to America and poking his body would have made the Middle East happy? They did it to show the Middle East that they can show respect to even their greatest enemy, and to show, they're better than them.

but they did not show it did they, maybe they should have video the burial and show that to the world, then what you say might be believable

i never suggested poking his body or anything like that, i just want to know why they gave a terrorist a muslim burial and why they buried him at sea within 12 hours before anyone seen the body

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Grimnir

but they did not show it did they, maybe they should have video the burial and show that to the world, then what you say might be believable

i never suggested poking his body or anything like that, i just want to know why they gave a terrorist a muslim burial and why they buried him at sea within 12 hours before anyone seen the body

Its called being diplomatic and tactful. They buried him after offering his body back to his native country, they may have offered it to other countries they could trust, their decision.

Under Muslim tradition they are supposed to wash/clean up the body, then bury it as soon as is practicable, which is what they did. They did video the burial but why should they show it to the world, that shows a lack of respect. It would also make targets out of those servicemen involved in the ceremony.

Showing the video of a burial at sea wouldnt lessen the cries of the conspiracy nuts, the body is in a weighted canvas bag, it has words said over it, then goes sliding off a board into the sea.

If they showed the ceremony then the deranged howling of the nuts would only get louder, "why didnt they show us the body?". If they showed photos of the body the cries would be "its a fake photo" or "its not him just someone made up to look like him"!

He stated he was a muslim, being a terrorist doesnt change that, he and others believed he was following the tenets of his faith, or he believed that he could carry out his actions and reconcile his actions with his faith.

Why they accorded him a burial in line with muslim traditions is to show the world that they dont disrespect that particualr religions beliefs, so they cant be accused of hating Muslims or not respecting Islamic tenets.

The only thing they can be picked up for is the fact he was buried at sea only because they cant guarantee he lies facing Mecca, however he wouldnt be the first Muslim "warrior" to be buried at sea or to be buried not completely inline with that faiths beliefs.