[Mr XcX]

Originally Posted by CharlieOsborne

No its not near to murder. How is it my responsibility in the first place?

Obviously I would but if someone wouldn't stop begging me why should I force them to live and be put in a mental home or something when they made the decision to kill themselves. Even if they were on drugs its still their body and their choices so who am I to stop letting them do as they please. I would call an ambulance in most cases but not definitely all.

Just because I know if I chose to kill myself I would not want others trying to make me stop if I knew I really wanted too. And you don't know if there is an after life so if there is a heaven like place that one goes to, then why deny them the ability to explore the fact of a better place and make them suffer living. Depression can be torture and I bet you think killing instantly is better than torture if it was like being done by a serial killer or something.

OMFG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They are NOT thinking straight!!! Yet you would just leave them BECAUSE IT IS THEIR BODY. ROFL!!!!!

You would also probably get arrested if you did that too. Assisting in Suicide is a serious offense. Please think more logically before you make silly comments.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Mr XcX

It is not a very good reply because you are saying that it is "Allowed" to kill themselves yet you would save someone who did try to kill themselves.

Do not think so.

If they were serious about it they would just kill themselves when I'm not there later anyway, wouldn't they?

I just don't want anyone dying on my watch, dragging their own stupidity across my concious. If they want to whack themselves later that night alone in their appartment it's there loss.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Conor

If someone is terminally ill and hospitalised, with the prospect of an undignified and long, painful death I see no reason why they shouldn't be allowed to die early, as opposed to some stroppy teen suffering 'eternal woes' hurling themselves in front of the M1.

well, my best friend killed herself when she was 18. I can assure you it was much more than "being a stroppy teen" , she was suffering from depression and I don't think anyone who hasn't suffered from depression can really understand just how hopeless things may seem.

[Conor]

Originally Posted by Stu

Neither do I but I just can't bring myself to say people shouldn't be allowed do it. Especially when as we are establishing here the sentence itself has no practical application. You can disagree with suicide all you like but you can't really put into practice not allowing people to do it.

I think you're misunderstanding me though. I'm just sharing my opinion that people should never see it as an option. I have no wish for it to be legally enforced. At the end of the day, if some randomer's gonna jump, I wont be there to stop them.

[Mr XcX]

Originally Posted by Stu

If they were serious about it they would just kill themselves when I'm not there later anyway, wouldn't they?

I just don't want anyone dying on my watch, dragging their own stupidity across my concious. If they want to whack themselves later that night alone in their appartment it's there loss.

Okay. I agree with you. But helping them would get the individual the help they need and then they would not commit Suicide.

I respect your opinion

[CharlieO]

Originally Posted by Mr XcX

OMFG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They are NOT thinking straight!!! Yet you would just leave them BECAUSE IT IS THEIR BODY. ROFL!!!!!

You would also probably get arrested if you did that too. Assisting in Suicide is a serious offense. Please think more logically before you make silly comments.

Its not assisting suicide its just not stopping it. I may put myself in danger by helping them so why is it my duty to do that?

The drugs were put into their body most likely on their accord so it is their body their problem. But someone on drugs I would stay back and call 999.

However if it was someone not on drugs and they begged I would listen to them.

[Mr XcX]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

well, my best friend killed herself when she was 18. I can assure you it was much more than "being a stroppy teen" , she was suffering from depression and I don't think anyone who hasn't suffered from depression can really understand just how hopeless things may seem.

Yes, and I am sure you heard of all the sadness her actions brought on her family. People in that condition can get help.

My Uncle Shot himself with a shotgun though the head. We always saw how depressed he was and we blame ourselfs for not getting him help.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Mr XcX

Yes, and I am sure you heard of all the sadness her actions brought on her family. People in that condition can get help.

My Uncle Shot himself with a shotgun though the head. We always saw how depressed he was and we blame ourselfs for not getting him help.

She was getting help though.

[Mr XcX]

Originally Posted by CharlieOsborne

Its not assisting suicide its just not stopping it. I may put myself in danger by helping them so why is it my duty to do that?

The drugs were put into their body most likely on their accord so it is their body their problem. But someone on drugs I would stay back and call 999.

However if it was someone not on drugs and they begged I would listen to them.

There was a reason I SAID MEDICAL DRUGS!!! When used for MEDICAL matters they can have depressive mind side affects.

BTW How on earth could you tell they WHERE on drugs. You would leave them to die and then have their death on your mind.

[Mr XcX]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

She was getting help though.

Well she was most probably not getting the right help for her.

[CharlieO]

Originally Posted by Mr XcX

There was a reason I SAID MEDICAL DRUGS!!! When used for MEDICAL matters they can have depressive mind side affects.

BTW How on earth could you tell they WHERE on drugs. You would leave them to die and then have their death on your mind.

Indeed I would feel partially guilty but I would only leave someone to die if they begged me. That way I wouldn't feel that guilty because they were getting what they wanted in that moment. On drugs or not. I would feel more guilty seeing them locked up in a mental hospital going mad when they asked me to let them die.

[Mr XcX]

Originally Posted by CharlieOsborne

Indeed I would feel partially guilty but I would only leave someone to die if they begged me. That way I wouldn't feel that guilty because they were getting what they wanted in that moment. On drugs or not. I would feel more guilty seeing them locked up in a mental hospital going mad when they asked me to let them die.

Who says they WOULD GO IN A MENTAL HOSPITAL!!! They would get mental help and therefore would be able to live a happy life. You are a very silly person if you think they would get locked up for the rest of their days in a mental Hospital. ROFL

[CharlieO]

Originally Posted by Mr XcX

Who says they WOULD GO IN A MENTAL HOSPITAL!!! They would get mental help and therefore would be able to live a happy life. You are a very silly person if you think they would get locked up for the rest of their days in a mental Hospital. ROFL

Have you ever experienced depression that makes you feel like you want to kill yourself for more than a split second?? No

So I don't really think you can say suicide is wrong when you haven't experienced what has caused someone to do that.

Some people aren't strong enough to cope with it so why should they be forced to be tortured by it. And its not as simple as to just get help.
Just because modern recourses can help people doesn't mean they work for everyone.
To force someone to die is wrong? so why isn't forcing someone to live if life is worse than death for some people?

[Mr XcX]

Originally Posted by CharlieOsborne

Have you ever experienced depression that makes you feel like you want to kill yourself for more than a split second?? No

So I don't really think you can say suicide is wrong when you haven't experienced what has caused someone to do that.

Some people aren't strong enough to cope with it so why should they be forced to be tortured by it. And its not as simple as to just get help.
Just because modern recourses can help people doesn't mean they work for everyone.
To force someone to die is wrong? so why isn't forcing someone to live if life is worse than death for some people?

Suicide is WRONG and SELFISH.

End of story. I find what you are saying absolutely shocking and laughable.

Many agree with my views and I think your views are in the minority. The LAW agrees with me and I can quite assure you If you left someone for dead you would get arrested and throw away the key.

What would happen for example if the person who "begged" you to leave them was rescued and recovered, and afterward regretted wanting to kill themselves and realized how worthwhile life is worth living. You would then have egg on your face Charlie Osborne.

Leaving them for dead is near murder no matter how many times you try to sugar coat it with BS like them "begging" you to leave them.

[arista]

Originally Posted by rhino

Always allow time for a delay

That kind of Delay can be hours
getting bits of body off the track
so no one can see it

[CharlieO]

Originally Posted by Mr XcX

Suicide is WRONG and SELFISH.

End of story. I find what you are saying absolutely shocking and laughable.

Many agree with my views and I think your views are in the minority. The LAW agrees with me and I can quite assure you If you left someone for dead you would get arrested and throw away the key.

What would happen for example if the person who "begged" you to leave them was rescued and recovered, and afterward regretted wanting to kill themselves and realized how worthwhile life is worth living. You would then have egg on your face Mr Charlie Osborne.

Leaving them for dead is near murder no matter how many times you try to sugar coat it with BS like them "begging" you to leave them.

Yes but you made a thread saying discuss so to insult my view is pretty stilly as surely that was the point of the thread? oh wait clearly you just wanted to get your point across.

My view is my view and I'm not asking anyone to agree with me so I dont care to be honest.
What if you saved someones life who was mad and had an urge to kill humans and you allowed many more humans to be killed because you saved that persons life when in fact they were doing the noble thing and protecting others? it works both ways.

[Stu]

Yeah the odds of that actually happening are pretty workable in the real world, aren't they.

[CharlieO]

Originally Posted by Stu

Yeah the odds of that actually happening are pretty workable in the real world, aren't they.

The odds of saving someones life and them realising life is amazing, isn't that likely. Its just giving another point of view. The odds of me being able to save someones life when they themselves have chosen to take it isn't likely either. This whole conversations is hypothetical.

[Princess]

Allowed??? You can't exactly stop them.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by CharlieOsborne

The odds of saving someones life and them realising life is amazing, isn't that likely.

Yes, it is. Totally unlike your example of a would be mass murderer's attempt at killing himself as an act of precaution being thwarted by a good samaritan.

You seriously can't compare the two in terms of probability. It may all be hypothetical but that's just a hillariously out of space situation you're describing.

[Mr XcX]

Originally Posted by CharlieOsborne

Yes but you made a thread saying discuss so to insult my view is pretty stilly as surely that was the point of the thread? oh wait clearly you just wanted to get your point across.

My view is my view and I'm not asking anyone to agree with me so I dont care to be honest.
What if you saved someones life who was mad and had an urge to kill humans and you allowed many more humans to be killed because you saved that persons life when in fact they were doing the noble thing and protecting others? it works both ways.

The odds of that is very slim. Plus, IMO your points are heavily flawed and lack substance.

[Mr XcX]

Originally Posted by Stu

Yes, it is. Totally unlike your example of a would be mass murderer's attempt at killing himself as an act of precaution being thwarted by a good samaritan.

You seriously can't compare the two in terms of probability. It may all be hypothetical but that's just a hillariously out of space situation you're describing.

Thank you.

I seem to be agreeing with you alot today.

[CharlieO]

Originally Posted by Stu

Yes, it is. Totally unlike your example of a would be mass murderer's attempt at killing himself as an act of precaution being thwarted by a good samaritan.

You seriously can't compare the two in terms of probability. It may all be hypothetical but that's just a hillariously out of space situation you're describing.

Im sorry but how can you say that. Do you even know the feeling that drives someone to do that? You are saying that its easy to recover from that sort of illness. It isn't easy and isn't a pleasant experience. Why should people have to live a life like that?

I realise the statements are far apart. But to say you can just get better is ridiculous. Death may be an easy way out but how is it wrong? Why waste your life trying to beat something which is eating you alive when you can just beat it in a heart beat?

[Mr XcX]

Originally Posted by CharlieOsborne

Im sorry but how can you say that. Do you even know the feeling that drives someone to do that? You are saying that its easy to recover from that sort of illness. It isn't easy and isn't a pleasant experience. Why should people have to live a life like that?

I realise the statements are far apart. But to say you can just get better is ridiculous. Death may be an easy way out but how is it wrong? Why waste your life trying to beat something which is eating you alive when you can just beat it in a heart beat?

People get help in the form of Doctors, socail groups, etc.

You are saying DEATH is the easy option!!! My goodness!!!

I have survived open heart surgery after being fatally stabbed. I know what I am talking about. Once you survive the situation you get to take life more worthwhile. I am shocked as you would say to someone who is depressed that death is the easy option.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Mr XcX

Suicide is SELFISH and WRONG!!!

No one should be allowed to. By saying yes you are effectively saying Serial Killers should "have the right" to kill themselves.

If serial killers think they have the right to take other people's lives they shouldn't be given a chance to kill themselves. They should be shot in the head.