[Mr XcX]

Originally Posted by CharlieOsborne

No its not near to murder. How is it my responsibility in the first place?

Obviously I would but if someone wouldn't stop begging me why should I force them to live and be put in a mental home or something when they made the decision to kill themselves. Even if they were on drugs its still their body and their choices so who am I to stop letting them do as they please. I would call an ambulance in most cases but not definitely all.

Just because I know if I chose to kill myself I would not want others trying to make me stop if I knew I really wanted too. And you don't know if there is an after life so if there is a heaven like place that one goes to, then why deny them the ability to explore the fact of a better place and make them suffer living. Depression can be torture and I bet you think killing instantly is better than torture if it was like being done by a serial killer or something.

OMFG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They are NOT thinking straight!!! Yet you would just leave them BECAUSE IT IS THEIR BODY. ROFL!!!!!

You would also probably get arrested if you did that too. Assisting in Suicide is a serious offense. Please think more logically before you make silly comments.

[CharlieO]

Originally Posted by Mr XcX

OMFG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They are NOT thinking straight!!! Yet you would just leave them BECAUSE IT IS THEIR BODY. ROFL!!!!!

You would also probably get arrested if you did that too. Assisting in Suicide is a serious offense. Please think more logically before you make silly comments.

Its not assisting suicide its just not stopping it. I may put myself in danger by helping them so why is it my duty to do that?

The drugs were put into their body most likely on their accord so it is their body their problem. But someone on drugs I would stay back and call 999.

However if it was someone not on drugs and they begged I would listen to them.

[GypsyGoth]

People are allowed to kill themselves already. And of course we should have that right.

[Conor]

Never. Suicide destroys families and other lives around the victim. My mum is a social worker and could probably list many cases where this has happened. It is an undignified and selfish way out. There is always a chance to claw back what has been lost.

Euthanasia is a whole other thing though...

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Conor

Never. Suicide destroys families and other lives around the victim. My mum is a social worker and could probably list many cases where this has happened. It is an undignified and selfish way out. There is always a chance to claw back what has been lost.

Euthanasia is a whole other thing though...

not necessarily that different, one is mental pain and the other is physical

[Conor]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

not necessarily that different, one is mental pain and the other is physical

If someone is terminally ill and hospitalised, with the prospect of an undignified and long, painful death I see no reason why they shouldn't be allowed to die early, as opposed to some stroppy teen suffering 'eternal woes' hurling themselves in front of the M1.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Conor

If someone is terminally ill and hospitalised, with the prospect of an undignified and long, painful death I see no reason why they shouldn't be allowed to die early, as opposed to some stroppy teen suffering 'eternal woes' hurling themselves in front of the M1.

well, my best friend killed herself when she was 18. I can assure you it was much more than "being a stroppy teen" , she was suffering from depression and I don't think anyone who hasn't suffered from depression can really understand just how hopeless things may seem.

[Mr XcX]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

well, my best friend killed herself when she was 18. I can assure you it was much more than "being a stroppy teen" , she was suffering from depression and I don't think anyone who hasn't suffered from depression can really understand just how hopeless things may seem.

Yes, and I am sure you heard of all the sadness her actions brought on her family. People in that condition can get help.

My Uncle Shot himself with a shotgun though the head. We always saw how depressed he was and we blame ourselfs for not getting him help.

[Mr XcX]

Originally Posted by Conor

Never. Suicide destroys families and other lives around the victim. My mum is a social worker and could probably list many cases where this has happened. It is an undignified and selfish way out. There is always a chance to claw back what has been lost.

Euthanasia is a whole other thing though...

Agree.

But I also believe Euthanasia is wrong too.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Conor

Never. Suicide destroys families and other lives around the victim. My mum is a social worker and could probably list many cases where this has happened. It is an undignified and selfish way out. There is always a chance to claw back what has been lost.

Euthanasia is a whole other thing though...

That's all well and good but what would you do then? Legislate life? If people want to kill themselves they will find a way. How can you say it's illegal for people to take themselves out of the world? Isin't that just imprisonment on a massive, massive scale?

And how would you enforce the law?

[Conor]

Originally Posted by Stu

That's all well and good but what would you do then? Legislate life? If people want to kill themselves they will find a way. How can you say it's illegal for people to take themselves out of the world? Isin't that just imprisonment on a massive, massive scale?

And how would you enforce the law?

I never said it should be enforced legally. As a law student, I realise it is impossible. I took the question as a matter of personal opinion.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Conor

I never said it should be enforced legally. As a law student, I realise it is impossible. However I don't agree with suicide at all.

Neither do I but I just can't bring myself to say people shouldn't be allowed do it. Especially when as we are establishing here the sentence itself has no practical application. You can disagree with suicide all you like but you can't really put into practice not allowing people to do it.

[Conor]

Originally Posted by Stu

Neither do I but I just can't bring myself to say people shouldn't be allowed do it. Especially when as we are establishing here the sentence itself has no practical application. You can disagree with suicide all you like but you can't really put into practice not allowing people to do it.

I think you're misunderstanding me though. I'm just sharing my opinion that people should never see it as an option. I have no wish for it to be legally enforced. At the end of the day, if some randomer's gonna jump, I wont be there to stop them.

[Shaun]

xcx, please, quit the capital letters and exclamations charade. It's so tiresome.

[Mr XcX]

Originally Posted by Shaun

xcx, please, quit the capital letters and exclamations charade. It's so tiresome.

lol, I just do it without thinking I have done it.

[Stu]

Yeah the odds of that actually happening are pretty workable in the real world, aren't they.

[CharlieO]

Originally Posted by Stu

Yeah the odds of that actually happening are pretty workable in the real world, aren't they.

The odds of saving someones life and them realising life is amazing, isn't that likely. Its just giving another point of view. The odds of me being able to save someones life when they themselves have chosen to take it isn't likely either. This whole conversations is hypothetical.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by CharlieOsborne

The odds of saving someones life and them realising life is amazing, isn't that likely.

Yes, it is. Totally unlike your example of a would be mass murderer's attempt at killing himself as an act of precaution being thwarted by a good samaritan.

You seriously can't compare the two in terms of probability. It may all be hypothetical but that's just a hillariously out of space situation you're describing.

[Mr XcX]

Originally Posted by Stu

Yes, it is. Totally unlike your example of a would be mass murderer's attempt at killing himself as an act of precaution being thwarted by a good samaritan.

You seriously can't compare the two in terms of probability. It may all be hypothetical but that's just a hillariously out of space situation you're describing.

Thank you.

I seem to be agreeing with you alot today.

[CharlieO]

Originally Posted by Stu

Yes, it is. Totally unlike your example of a would be mass murderer's attempt at killing himself as an act of precaution being thwarted by a good samaritan.

You seriously can't compare the two in terms of probability. It may all be hypothetical but that's just a hillariously out of space situation you're describing.

Im sorry but how can you say that. Do you even know the feeling that drives someone to do that? You are saying that its easy to recover from that sort of illness. It isn't easy and isn't a pleasant experience. Why should people have to live a life like that?

I realise the statements are far apart. But to say you can just get better is ridiculous. Death may be an easy way out but how is it wrong? Why waste your life trying to beat something which is eating you alive when you can just beat it in a heart beat?

[Mr XcX]

Originally Posted by CharlieOsborne

Im sorry but how can you say that. Do you even know the feeling that drives someone to do that? You are saying that its easy to recover from that sort of illness. It isn't easy and isn't a pleasant experience. Why should people have to live a life like that?

I realise the statements are far apart. But to say you can just get better is ridiculous. Death may be an easy way out but how is it wrong? Why waste your life trying to beat something which is eating you alive when you can just beat it in a heart beat?

People get help in the form of Doctors, socail groups, etc.

You are saying DEATH is the easy option!!! My goodness!!!

I have survived open heart surgery after being fatally stabbed. I know what I am talking about. Once you survive the situation you get to take life more worthwhile. I am shocked as you would say to someone who is depressed that death is the easy option.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by CharlieOsborne

Im sorry but how can you say that

Say what? You are just making all of this up on my behalf. Where did I say it was easy? Or that it was a dead cert that you could just get better? I never said any of those things.

All I said was that the odds of the saved life turning out to be a blessing in disguise and second chance at happyness scenario were much better, much more logical and much more realistic than the odds of the saved life turning out to be a murderous, cancer to society psychopath scenario.

[Princess]

Allowed??? You can't exactly stop them.

[CharlieO]

Im not saying people should kill themselves if they feel depression I'm saying if someone cant cope how is it anyone else's place to judge it as 'wrong' or 'selfish'.

And I've survived clinical depression and got better, because being stabbed in the leg by my own father and having my arm broken by him. I went literally mad and I survived.

All I'm saying is that its not fair to judge someones decision because the feeling of depression is horrible and I've never felt anything worse and my condition wasn't that bad compared to some. Your whole life is destroyed because its not something you can control. Everything you see can turn bleak and worthless I cried every time I talked for 4 months because of it, I went mute at school because if I spoke I would cry. You get feeling of emptiness and its literally like the breaths you take mean nothing like your emotions aren't even there anymore and you are losing you soul. (yes its not being stabbed in the heart but its a different kind of pain which is arguably worse)

Yes I got help and tried to get through it but not on my own accord because I was threatened into it by my mother. But I tired to kill myself twice and had my stomach pumped twice. I do not wish I died now but I would have not minded if I did. If i had to take more than the year I took of the depression I don't think I would have coped. Its not easy to survive depression and its not something you can imagine feeling.

[Mr XcX]

Originally Posted by CharlieOsborne

Im not saying people should kill themselves if they feel depression I'm saying if someone cant cope how is it anyone else's place to judge it as 'wrong' or 'selfish'.

And I've survived clinical depression and got better, because being stabbed in the leg by my own father and having my arm broken by him. I went literally mad and I survived.

All I'm saying is that its not fair to judge someones decision because the feeling of depression is horrible and I've never felt anything worse and my condition wasn't that bad compared to some. Your whole life is destroyed because its not something you can control. Everything you see can turn bleak and worthless I cried every time I talked for 4 months because of it, I went mute at school because if I spoke I would cry. You get feeling of emptiness and its literally like the breaths you take mean nothing like your emotions aren't even there anymore and you are losing you soul. (yes its not being stabbed in the heart but its a different kind of pain which is arguably worse)

Yes I got help and tried to get through it but not on my own accord because I was threatened into it by my mother. But I tired to kill myself twice and had my stomach pumped twice. I do not wish I died now but I would have not minded if I did. If i had to take more than the year I took of the depression I don't think I would have coped. Its not easy to survive depression and its not something you can imagine feeling.

You have just proved my POINT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You said you would leave someone to DIE!!! Correct.
Well, you just said yourself you regretted killing yourself. But you would leave the other individual to die.

Like I said you would help someone get help. Not leave them to die.

Plus YOU DID say that death is an easy option and do not deny it.

It is outragous for you to effectively say that someone who is depressed (even though you got medical help) to go and commit suicide