[Ammi]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

A really excellent question Leather Trumpet,wow, it's a tricky one,I think I would say saving a Human over an Animal should be more important but I can't, I couldn't say that I would save a HUman over any Animal.

It would really depend on the circumstances,our family dog for instance, I doubt I would save anyone other than my family over him.

Brilliant question LT, you have me for one, stumped on this one for a definitive answer.

It would depend on the circumstances, as I've said before if it was a child murderer or a family pet, I would choose animal over human........but if it was a split second decision.......and I didn't now they were a child murderer......my instinct tells me I would choose human, I think most people would....letting humans die over animals is just well bad karma

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Ammi

It would depend on the circumstances, as I've said before if it was a child murderer or a family pet, I would choose animal over human........but if it was a split second decision.......and I didn't now they were a child murderer......my instinct tells me I would choose human, I think most people would....letting humans die over animals is just well bad karma

I would agree with what you say in the main.

May I add, when I read your post I thought, that's like something rhino would say,then I looked at the name and saw you were rhino.

Confused me a bit.mind you that's easy to do.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I would agree with what you say in the main.

May I add, when I read your post I thought, that's like something rhino would say,then I looked at the name and saw you were rhino.

Confused me a bit.mind you that's easy to do.

[Harry!]

I would save my pets over a random human being. But if it was someone I know verses a random aninal it would depend if I liked that person or not.

[Captain.Remy]

Originally Posted by Harry!

I would save my pets over a random human being. But if it was someone I know verses a random aninal it would depend if I liked that person or not.

Harry, who's the 4th guy in your sig?

[spitfire]

Is a human life more important than an animals?

No.

[Grimnir]

i like in movies where a group of people are trying to escape some threat like aliens or monsters
then a woman runs out trying to save her dog and gets eaten

[Wildcat!]

I am half serious here but still gonna give this example. Lets say your pet, is killed by another animal, who attacked the pet. Should we try to capture it, and you know, give it a trial. Since, animals are the same as humans after all. What they would most likely do, is barbaric, which is to probably put them down if its a savage animal. thats just not right!

I think the animal should get a life in a pound sentence personally! JUst like it would be for a premeditated murder for a human being!

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Wildcat!

I am half serious here but still gonna give this example. Lets say your pet, is killed by another animal, who attacked the pet. Should we try to capture it, and you know, give it a trial. Since, animals are the same as humans after all. What they would most likely do, is barbaric, which is to probably put them down if its a savage animal. thats just not right!

I think the animal should get a life in a pound sentence personally! JUst like it would be for a premeditated murder for a human being!

Your views are clear Wildcat, althought your analogy is a bit wild.

Everyone will think differently about this. I would save my pet over an enemy. I would save a favourite teeshirt over an enemy. All the analogies in the world wouldn't change that.

[Wildcat!]

Originally Posted by Livia

Your views are clear Wildcat, althought your analogy is a bit wild.

Everyone will think differently about this. I would save my pet over an enemy. I would save a favourite teeshirt over an enemy. All the analogies in the world wouldn't change that.

So youre saying if someone is your enemy, they deserve to die?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Wildcat!

So youre saying if someone is your enemy, they deserve to die?

If someone is my enemy, they're my enemy for a reason. I'm not saying they deserve to die, I'm saying I wouldn't waste any emotion on them, not even hate.

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by Wildcat!

So youre saying if someone is your enemy, they deserve to die?

I don't see her saying that. Just that in some extreme scenario she would choose her dog over them. So would I if our family dog were still alive. He was family.

[Wildcat!]

Couple of more points. YOur pet, does not contribute anything positive to society. They only consume stuff. They dont make anything, they dont work, they dont contribute to the economy! If anything, they only hurt it!

And Its just selfish to want to save your pet, over a stranger. YOur desire to pet your animal, is greated than saving another person, who might have parents, children, people who depend on him!

people like to be idealistic, and believe they would save their pet first, but I bet you anything most of you guys, when the situation presents itself, would think differently!
If you dont, then in my opinion, you are not a normal human being!

ONe last thing, why do you value the pets that have the most human qualities! Hmmmm....
What about a snake??? would you save your pet snake over the stranger??? HOw about a pet ferret??? would you save him as well! I mean they are all animals right??? JUst as important as other humans, and presumably, just as important as each other!!!

Cmon people!!! give me a break!

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Wildcat!

.....I bet you anything most of you guys, when the situation presents itself, would think differently!
If you dont, then in my opinion, you are not a normal human being!

In my opinion... Right back at ya.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Wildcat!

Couple of more points. YOur pet, does not contribute anything positive to society. They only consume stuff. They dont make anything, they dont work, they dont contribute to the economy! If anything, they only hurt it!

And Its just selfish to want to save your pet, over a stranger. YOur desire to pet your animal, is greated than saving another person, who might have parents, children, people who depend on him!

people like to be idealistic, and believe they would save their pet first, but I bet you anything most of you guys, when the situation presents itself, would think differently!
If you dont, then in my opinion, you are not a normal human being!

ONe last thing, why do you value the pets that have the most human qualities! Hmmmm....
What about a snake??? would you save your pet snake over the stranger??? HOw about a pet ferret??? would you save him as well! I mean they are all animals right??? JUst as important as other humans, and presumably, just as important as each other!!!

Cmon people!!! give me a break!

As people have said before it depends on the human,some are not fit to breathe,I would chose an animal over a killer anyday,animals usually kill for food or they feel threatened,not for self gratification or sexual pleasure and are we really more intelligent?sometimes I wonder.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by kazanne

As people have said before it depends on the human,some are not fit to breathe,I would chose an animal over a killer anyday,animals usually kill for food or they feel threatened,not for self gratification or sexual pleasure and are we really more intelligent?sometimes I wonder.

Again welcome back kazanne and I agree with this post,I think it was quite a complex and brilliant question from Leathertrumpet who started the thread and it had me stumped for a while.

All you say above is totally correct.

[AJ.]

Humans have the opportunity to change other people lives so maybe but in a straight 1v1 then no.

[ElProximo]

There is one sure way to cure a zealous 'animal activist' type of PETA person. I mean the kind who thinks animals and humans are all 'equals' etc.

Let them come along with me and my Dad for a few weeks in the bush. We won't go hunting but basically do the same things.

Then you can see a Grizzly Bear. Watch them HORRIFICALLY 'murder' a Bambi Deer. A little Fawn. In front of its mother.
You just watch that.
I will spare you a list. A list of horrifying 'atrocities' you will see in nature. You will see animals unleashing 'genocide' and 'serial killing' and 'child murders' all day and night among animals.
Hey you can even see animals get into 'mobs' and kill their own children sometimes!

Now, the thing is. You can walk away actually respecting nature and animals all the more. In fact, you will have a very profound respect I think.
but,
you will find it hard to be one of these 'PETA' types any longer after that.

*and no, I don't defend any kind of animal cruelty and I do not hunt animals. I also live in reality.

[Smithy]

People die in films:



Animals die in films:





/contribution

[Wildcat!]

LOL!
At least that was funny!

One more point, so how would you feel if you are that stranger, an someone else saves their pet over you! Are you OK with that, knowing how important you are as a person, for the people who are close to you, what your loss would mean to them. DO you equate that loss to the loss of the pet that got saved! ??

[Stu]

I'd save my worst enemy over my dog. And I love my dog to bits. But my dog is thick and not a person.

I don't consider that abnormal at all.

[Sunny_01]

Originally Posted by Stu

I'd save my worst enemy over my dog. And I love my dog to bits. But my dog is thick and not a person.

I don't consider that abnormal at all.

My dog is not thick, she has been manipulating me for years. I walk her when she wants, I give her cuddles when she comes for attention, I feed her lovely fresh meat, and now that she is so old I even escort her up the stairs, you tell me that they are thick lol.

[Toxic]

Human life is 100000000% more important, no question.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Toxic

Human life is 100000000% more important, no question.

why

[Sunny_01]

I would happily give my own life over for my dogs, in fact I was one of those fools you see on the tv, I nearly drowned saving my dog, who is a springer spaniel and more than capable of swimming!!!

That said I would give my life but not the life of another person. My little dog is nearly 16 years old and is very much a part of my family and I can only speak in a what I "think" I would do way. I think I would save the person. I value my pet, and anyone who suggests I dont love her needs to jog on, but I value human life as well. Its a moral dilemna, a one I like to think I would make the right choice in.