[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

instead of showing roulette all night they could have seriously put on some live feed

[echo cafe]

So, endemol/ch.5 have now pretty much confirmed there is to be no LF, so what is the point of watching now? its a sinking ship.
I'm sure, EVEN after that news there will still be people on here who (for some really unfathomable reason) prefer this 'new & fresh approach' !

[Jordan.]

Did you just notice?

[iRyan]

We need to keep pestering them until they confirm it for the main series at least. I posted this in the comments.

If there is no live feed for at least the regular series starting in September, there is going to be an outrage from fans. You have seen the overwhelmingly negative response to there being no live feed, so why aren't you doing anything about it? You've debated on the issue, yet still have decided against it, WHY? Fans have made it more than clear the show is not Big Brother without a live feed. All other Big Brother's throughout the world have a live feed. It's absolutely ridiculous how a show whose format is revolved so largely around it's fanbase would ignore an issue like this that is so largely demanded by fans who love the show. The Live Feed has been a MASSIVE part of the shows success throughout the past 10 years because it gets fans more involved and passionate. Without it there is a major disconnect.

[InOne]

Will be an awful thing to watch without LF. People would lose interest very very fast. Don't get why they don't just put it on 5* with all the crap they have on there anyway

This will pretty much kill BB

[Grimnir]

what is the point in them having all the cameras and under 24 hour surveillance if there is no live feed

its just stupid and channel 5 are a joke

[CharlieO]

Originally Posted by Grimnir

what is the point in them having all the cameras and under 24 hour surveillance if there is no live feed

its just stupid and channel 5 are a joke

The likelihood is that they are not on 24 hours.

[fingers]

Originally Posted by CharlieO

The likelihood is that they are not on 24 hours.

They only need 50 minutes of footage, easier just to condense 3 or 4 hours of shooting than to trawl through 24 hours of pap and snoring!

[Jords]

Twats.

[Jords]

Why cant they give us at least nightly feed?

[Red Moon]

Originally Posted by Jords

Why cant they give us at least nightly feed?

By the time the feed would be on air they probably would just be the snoring to watch.

Interesting the live feed is also edited if you think about how it. They get to pick which camera we see on the live feed and thus who we are watching, who we are listening and what we are allowed to hear etc.... It is hardly an uncensored view of the house and what goes on inside. Then there is a time delay of 15 minute to 30 minutes and no clocks in the house, which means they could without the audience knowing show any footage they like if something big is going off.

I agree the live feed would be good for those that want it and I would like Channel 5 to come clean as to why they are not providing one, but at the end of the day it is probably the only show that has had a live feed in recent years. You don't see the get me out of here fans saying they want 24/7 coverage or they will stop watching!

[Jords]

Originally Posted by Red Moon

By the time the feed would be on air they probably would just be the snoring to watch.

Interesting the live feed is also edited if you think about how it. They get to pick which camera we see on the live feed and thus who we are watching, who we are listening and what we are allowed to hear etc.... It is hardly an uncensored view of the house and what goes on inside. Then there is a time delay of 15 minute to 30 minutes and no clocks in the house, which means they could without the audience knowing show any footage they like if something big is going off.

I agree the live feed would be good for those that want it and I would like Channel 5 to come clean as to why they are not providing one, but at the end of the day it is probably the only show that has had a live feed in recent years. You don't see the get me out of here fans saying they want 24/7 coverage or they will stop watching!

There are some decent conversations to tune into and mischief if were lucky some nights. They could encourage HMs to stay up with more 24 hour tasks too.

I agree they they hold all power on what we see but I really dont think theyd skip something essential.

The forum is so dead compared to last year, we need some live feed!

[Saph]

I think they're lying, of course they are working on getting it for BB12, they probably just want to make it seem like its not coming back so when it does all the fans love Ch5...

[Red Moon]

Originally Posted by Jords

There are some decent conversations to tune into and mischief if were lucky some nights. They could encourage HMs to stay up with more 24 hour tasks too.

Getting the house mates to stay up through the night works in the main BB but with the celebrity BB, I think they would be pointing at their contracts. I know what you are saying about the late night feed, and I know stuff happens in the wee hours but is that enough for them to lose the revenue though losing their gambling stuff they are probably contracted to show? As fans of the show I know we would say yes, but they must think differently.

Originally Posted by Jords

I agree they they hold all power on what we see but I really dont think theyd skip something essential.

I have known them to miss stuff in the past especially when they don't think they getting much for the highlights show or at the start when they are looking for drama and it is all lets be best friends.

I have always thought if we are going to have a live feed at all we need cameras to pick from like they use to do when I watched the US feed years ago on realplayer. They had 4 different views of the house and you just followed the house mates you were interested in, plus an interactive message box.

Originally Posted by Jords

The forum is so dead compared to last year, we need some live feed!

I know what you mean about the forum being dead without the feed when show isn't on air. It is fun talking about stuff on the feed and it can be exciting breaking the news to TiBB as it happens, but at least we have Big Brother on the air again. If the channel hadn't taken it then that could have been the end of that and the place would be even quieter than it is now.

Originally Posted by SaphLiike

I think they're lying, of course they are working on getting it for BB12, they probably just want to make it seem like its not coming back so when it does all the fans love Ch5...

I wouldn't hold your breath. I think there is more behind why they won't give us the feed than we know. It could be a mixture of reasons including the technical side of the things, the computing infrastructure and the staffing of the show especially.

If they could just provide a feed at a drop of a hat they would have done it by now. They can't and I just wish they would be honest and explain why.

[MJBFAN]

I'm really dissapointed with CH5.

I was willing to watch CBB without live feed and campaign in hope that BB12 would have LF.
Admittedly you cannot get a 100% accurate picture of HM's with the LF but the whole point of the feed was to be able get to know the housemates better and interact on a deeper level. Watching CBB at present and I cannot even feel like I know any of the HM's , even on a superficial level. This new format is not working for me and from other FM's I see similar feelings and comments.

I'll stay with CBB for now but I won't be voting and when BB12 screens I'll give it a go but I cannot in all honesty say I will stick with it.

CH5 really have let the fans down and I hope they are happy with the show they have at present but I can see that the ratings may well slip very quickly.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by MJBFAN

I'm really dissapointed with CH5.

I was willing to watch CBB without live feed and campaign in hope that BB12 would have LF.
Admittedly you cannot get a 100% accurate picture of HM's with the LF but the whole point of the feed was to be able get to know the housemates better and interact on a deeper level. Watching CBB at present and I cannot even feel like I know any of the HM's , even on a superficial level. This new format is not working for me and from other FM's I see similar feelings and comments.

I'll stay with CBB for now but I won't be voting and when BB12 screens I'll give it a go but I cannot in all honesty say I will stick with it.

CH5 really have let the fans down and I hope they are happy with the show they have at present but I can see that the ratings may well slip very quickly.

Yeah, it we think it's hard knowing them without LF now, gonna be 10X harder with the normal series. Plus it's a lot longer so it will just become more fustrating if it seems scripted

[Red Moon]

Originally Posted by InOne

Yeah, it we think it's hard knowing them without LF now, gonna be 10X harder with the normal series. Plus it's a lot longer so it will just become more fustrating if it seems scripted

I agree it is harder to know them and it takes longer to get to know, especially with the shorter CBB format, but with the long BB format there are still hours and hours of coverage.

Playing devils advocate for a second, in 12 weeks you will end up watching over 80 hours of television. That is about 20 hours less than watching Eastenders for a year. It's not like you don't know the characters in Eastenders and people don't demand a live feed of the soaps!

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Red Moon

I agree it is harder to know them and it takes longer to get to know, especially with the shorter CBB format, but with the long BB format there are still hours and hours of coverage.

Playing devils advocate for a second, in 12 weeks you will end up watching over 80 hours of television. That is about 20 hours less than watching Eastenders for a year. It's not like you don't know the characters in Eastenders and people don't demand a live feed of the soaps!

Guess it depends if they choose any "stars" of the show and concentrate on them if you get me. Like BB11 with John and Josie, but luckily we had LF then lol

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Red Moon

I agree it is harder to know them and it takes longer to get to know, especially with the shorter CBB format, but with the long BB format there are still hours and hours of coverage.

Playing devils advocate for a second, in 12 weeks you will end up watching over 80 hours of television. That is about 20 hours less than watching Eastenders for a year. It's not like you don't know the characters in Eastenders and people don't demand a live feed of the soaps!

That's true, I basically just watched the highlights in BB11 but I still felt I knew the housemates pretty well

[billy123]

Originally Posted by MTVN

That's true, I basically just watched the highlights in BB11 but I still felt I knew the housemates pretty well

How much of getting to know them did you get from the forums,news articles online or newspapers? its really shortsighted to say that because so much of the BB chatter came from the live feed.

Are people really willing to dumb down to the point where they accept that a housemate must of packed a wedding dress in their suitcase? or is it more logical that a daily meeting was held with producers and the people in there and it was suggested to them?

[billy123]

The live feed infrastructure was provided by an outsourced company and had an uptake of 86,000 people which generated an income of over £1 million and was confirmed by channel 4 to have generated a profit.
If you phone C5 and ask them they will tell you that its because they want to take the show in a different direction and that doesnt include a live feed.
So from what we have seen so far that direction must mean having meetings with the housemates and guiding them into what they want to happen.
Thats about as far from the spirit of big brother that you can get its trashy and false.
Im not revelling in the state of the show i feel gutted.

[Red Moon]

Originally Posted by bobnot

The live feed infrastructure was provided by an outsourced company and had an uptake of 86,000 people which generated an income of over £1 million and was confirmed by channel 4 to have generated a profit.

Well may be the don't feel they will get the uptake that Channel 4 got in the past and the profit levels were low. I guess we will never know unless they tell us straight, but like you said:

Originally Posted by bobnot

If you phone C5 and ask them they will tell you that its because they want to take the show in a different direction and that doesnt include a live feed.

Clearly that is up to them, but I think we are all forgetting that there would have been no Big Brother on UK television at the moment if it wasn't for Channel 5. They brought the rights to air the show and the right to put there stamp on it. Without them it just wouldn't exist but as a memory.

Originally Posted by bobnot

So from what we have seen so far that direction must mean having meetings with the housemates and guiding them into what they want to happen.

Do we have evidence of there being meeting as such where the producers tell them what to do? There is a lot of talk about scripting going on which the follow up show was making fun of the other night and rightly so. I don't think they would script it. One of the Celebrities would spill the beans as soon as they got out of the house for the cash and press coverage. It just not going to happen.

Originally Posted by bobnot

Thats about as far from the spirit of big brother that you can get its trashy and false.

Any messing with the show is going to upset the BB purists but it has changed year in and year out. It is nothing like the show that it was when it started that was billed as a human experiment. It is much more of a game show by the time it ended on Channel 4, with house mates being players rather subjects. May be Channel 5 are just taking that side of it a bit further than Channel 4 did.

The show has to keep developing or it will become stale and lifeless as a format and people will turn off.

Originally Posted by bobnot

Im not revelling in the state of the show i feel gutted.

I can understand how many people feel gutted, and how not having a live feed affects the forum and their enjoyment of the show, but if it not going to happen it is no good going on and on about it. You can only do what you can done and if Channel 5 don't want it you will never get it. You can't force their hand.

If 86,000 people turn off so what, that still leaves them 2.3 million or so viewers.

They will have done enough market research to know the changes won't have a massive effect on the audience numbers and the production company won't let them do to much that affects the ratings and possibility of having their contract renewed in two years time.

I keep thinking they are moving the show towards the "get me out of here" style of programming with the house mates commenting on the tasks etc with Big Brother as the interviewer, not sure if I like it yet, but I willing to live with it and have Big Brother on the TV again.

[fingers]

One can see from the amount of new topics being posted that this so-called Social Media experiment has failed miserably. there SHOULD be about, at least, 150 pages by now, instead we have Page 1 which contains posts timed at 11 pm LAST NIGHT and still on the front page!

[JohnnyBB]

ive come to agreement with myself were definstley nit going to get live feed the rateimgs are the best channel 5 have ever had, they dont need live feed, makes me sooo angry thought cause i thought we'd get the works and as much ive feed as we wanted its just a shame really, its hurt me more knowing the show that i love is like being raped by channel 5

[seanraff07]

****e, utter ****e.

I'll watch on as BB quickly vanishes into extinction, hope Channel 5 learn their lesson, FFS all they show during the night on 5* is teleshopping, surely BB Live is better than that?