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Mystic Mock · 24-03-2012, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Jack_

Well I wouldn't exactly be shedding tears, but I don't think it's something we should be applauding. Murder is murder at the end of the day.

Well yes it is, because it's essentially saying committing crimes is bad, but oh no, don't worry...if you commit a crime it's fine. Exact same thing as the death penalty. Murder is wrong, you must not do this...so what are we going to do? Oh yeah, kill you. I mean it's just laughable.

And I don't think you understood what I meant. By 'has it really been that long?!' I meant it in the sense that eight years seemed far too long ago for this case, I was thinking it only seemed like a few years ago, so that's why I thought 'surely it hasn't been that long since', not that I was thinking 'eight years is a long sentence'.

Ok I understand some of your points more now,but I honestly do not think killing a criminal is hypocritical,infact I would call it an eye for an eye in a murderers case.

With Karen Matthews I would give her an eye for an eye in a different way to a murderer obviously.

Sadly that would be if she was still going to be serving her sentence.

Niamh. · 23-03-2012, 11:37 PM

I don't agree with vigilantism but I do think that she should be prevented from bringing anymore children into the world, she has proven that she's a seriously unfit mother and has already had 8 children that the state now have to pick up the tab for so she really should not be allowed to have anymore. Not just for the bill the government is paying for those kids but for the psychological damage those poor kids will have to cope with.

joeysteele · 23-03-2012, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh.

I don't agree with vigilantism but I do think that she should be prevented from bringing anymore children into the world, she has proven that she's a seriously unfit mother and has already had 8 children that the state now have to pick up the tab for so she really should not be allowed to have anymore. Not just for the bill the government is paying for those kids but for the psychological damage those poor kids will have to cope with.

Absolutely and your post shows that she didn't just cause massive trauma to one child's life but to many others too, all hers as well. Despicable.

Marsh. · 24-03-2012, 12:23 AM

As I said before I don't think jedward_fever understands the actual definition of hypocrisy.

Mystic Mock · 24-03-2012, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by 08marsh

As I said before I don't think jedward_fever understands the actual definition of hypocrisy.

I do but this is not hypocrisy,am I killing innocent people? no.

Marsh. · 24-03-2012, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by jedward fever

I do but this is not hypocrisy,am I killing innocent people? no.

Is it not?

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hy·poc·ri·sy/hiˈpäkrisē/
Noun:
The practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform; pretense.

You can't judge someone else for murder and then commit it yourself and justify it.

The entire point of murder is taking someone else's life which NO ONE has the right to do. To then punish someone by committing the same act is hypocrisy.

Mystic Mock · 24-03-2012, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by 08marsh

Is it not?

You can't judge someone else for murder and then commit it yourself and justify it.

The entire point of murder is taking someone else's life which NO ONE has the right to do. To then punish someone by committing the same act is hypocrisy.

A killer should not get a 2nd chance in life as afterall the victim will never get a 2nd chance so no I still stand that it isn't hypocrisy and it certainly isn't pretending high morals either like that quote you posted up is suggesting.

Marsh. · 24-03-2012, 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by jedward fever

A killer should not get a 2nd chance in life as afterall the victim will never get a 2nd chance so no I still stand that it isn't hypocrisy and it certainly isn't pretending high morals either like that quote you posted up is suggesting.

It most certainly IS proposing high morals.

You are saying that murder is such a heinous crime it must be punished.

But you are punishing by committing the exact same heinous crime. Therefore defeating the basis of your on moral code.

You seem unable to comprehend these things so I'll just end my part in the discussion here.

InOne · 24-03-2012, 12:35 AM

I'd be interested to know if there was any form of diagnosis on Karen Matthews. It could be she walks out of prison and straight into Broadmoor or somewhere similar, it's happened to people before.

Mystic Mock · 24-03-2012, 04:25 PM

The thing is us law abiding citizens don't get fake identities so why should somebody that had her own Daughter get kidknapped be given fake identities to help save there life? imo that's advertising that you can commit any crime you like and you will be rewarded with a **** prison sentence and a new rich home and look and name.

MTVN · 24-03-2012, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by jedward fever

The thing is us law abiding citizens don't get fake identities so why should somebody that had her own Daughter get kidknapped be given fake identities to help save there life? imo that's advertising that you can commit any crime you like and you will be rewarded with a **** prison sentence and a new rich home and look and name.

Generally speaking we don't need them but yes, you do get given one if necessary, witnesses who testify in important cases are sometimes given new identities for their safety

joeysteele · 24-03-2012, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by jedward fever

The thing is us law abiding citizens don't get fake identities so why should somebody that had her own Daughter get kidknapped be given fake identities to help save there life? imo that's advertising that you can commit any crime you like and you will be rewarded with a **** prison sentence and a new rich home and look and name.

Aside from the very valid point MTVN made as to those being witnesses in trials getting identity hidden or changed you are totally correct and it is obscene that what you say did and does occur, especially the last part of your post.

InOne · 25-03-2012, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by jedward fever

The thing is us law abiding citizens don't get fake identities so why should somebody that had her own Daughter get kidknapped be given fake identities to help save there life? imo that's advertising that you can commit any crime you like and you will be rewarded with a **** prison sentence and a new rich home and look and name.

Well she didn't only allow her to be 'kidknapped', she was also made to take anti-depressants to keep her in a slur so she didn't know what was going on. And this was all the time she was 'missing'.

Kizzy · 25-03-2012, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by InOne

Well she didn't only allow her to be 'kidknapped', she was also made to take anti-depressants to keep her in a slur so she didn't know what was going on. And this was all the time she was 'missing'.

Agreed.... There were so many offences, the poor girl was never going to recover from this...

Mrluvaluva · 06-04-2012, 03:53 PM

She has now been released, without a new identity (but a makeover), and wants to appear on The Jeremy Kyle show and take a lie detector test because she doesn't believe she has done anything wrong.

Link to article.

InOne · 06-04-2012, 04:03 PM

Mother of God 0_0 That will be brutal

Mrluvaluva · 13-04-2012, 11:04 AM

It didn't take long for her cover to be blown:

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...-makeover.html

arista · 13-04-2012, 11:26 AM

Marc · 13-04-2012, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by arista

Still got an ugly mug on her.

Lewis. · 13-04-2012, 11:28 AM

The sun make me laugh so much -

“She had to serve only half her sentence and now she has been rewarded with a makeover and a shopping trip. It’s insane.”

It was hardly a shopping trip - a walk down to the local corner shop for some ciggies and a magazine