[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by *Kate*

Just caught up on this thread, been out all day, very interesting reading, good to read all the points if view.

I stand by my principles still and will continue to not pay the licence fee. In response to an earlier comment, I forget who by, if everyone did take my stance it would be a good thing, as it would effectively force a long overdue change and also prove that there are alternatives, not just having adverts either.

If everyone took your stance over all things that we have to pay, but don't agree with, the country would be in a hell of a state.

Suffice to say: those who don't pay their tv licence but continue to watch and use the services - are on par with those who cheat the benefits system and all other such things.

Sorry if you find that sore Kate - but it is illegal - and is a criminal offence regardless of how you view it. (pun intended... )

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by *Kate*

Just caught up on this thread, been out all day, very interesting reading, good to read all the points if view.

I stand by my principles still and will continue to not pay the licence fee. In response to an earlier comment, I forget who by, if everyone did take my stance it would be a good thing, as it would effectively force a long overdue change and also prove that there are alternatives, not just having adverts either.

If everyone took that stance then the BBC would be in a mess temporarily but it could force long overdue change as you say and make it realise that it wasn't going to get the opportunity of wasting peoples money with no reference back to the people paying them either.

I was one of those who mentioned a point as to not paying forcing overdue change,it came from my Dad who said that had people not refused to comply with the poll tax it likely would not have got abolished in the form it was in.

Nothing wrong in standing by your principles Kate.history has many examples of where some laws have had to be broken to get better laws.

[Kate!]

I do actually take exception to that Pyramid, and I don't think I'm on.a par with a benefits cheat thank you, I worked all my adult life until I was made redundant and always paid all my rent and council tax... With the TV licence, its a moral stance not to pay it, and its my choice..Seems to me that anyone who says anything whatsoever on here that you don't agree with, you have to beat the life out of the subject, yoy have nitpicked everything Joey had to say on the subject and implied he was ill informed and also have to have the last word. I don't feel that need myself so should you reply to this comment, I'm done. I don't want to get into a slanging match with you, like a dog with a bone. Some of the things you say to people on here are insulting, wrapped up in fancy language. What you said to Joey.just was appalling.I'm quite sure you'll be furious I said this, but I'm tired of the sniping.

Fin.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by *Kate*

I do actually take exception to that Pyramid, and I don't think I'm on.a par with a benefits cheat thank you, I worked all my adult life until I was made redundant and always paid all my rent and council tax... With the TV licence, its a moral stance not to pay it, and its my choice..Seems to me that anyone who says anything whatsoever on here that you don't agree with, you have to beat the life out of the subject, yoy have nitpicked everything Joey had to say on the subject and implied he was ill informed and also have to have the last word. I don't feel that need myself so should you reply to this comment, I'm done. I don't want to get into a slanging match with you, like a dog with a bone. Some of the things you say to people on here are insulting, wrapped up in fancy language. What you said to Joey.just was appalling.I'm quite sure you'll be furious I said this, but I'm tired of the sniping.

Fin.

It is a discussion that you raised: you don't like the way it is going - well I don't apologise for that - but hey: if you can't accept people have opinions that don't match yours - regardles.... then that really isn't my issue Kate.

I suspect more people share my opinion on this than are posting, but don't want to seem 'unpopular' by voicing it. Either way: it's my opinion. I'm not the one breaking the law here.

[MTVN]

Maybe if people are finding themselves offended and insulted by your posts it might be a courtesy to re-examine them - I think you'll find plenty of other people can partake in a serious debate without causing the level of offence you have here

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Maybe if people are finding themselves offended and insulted by your posts it might be a courtesy to re-examine them - I think you'll find plenty of other people can partake in a serious debate without causing the level of offence you have here

Mabye if people are so thin skinned.... as you and other mods keep stating about 'other posters' when it suits: they perhaps shouldn't enter serious debates without accepting that others have as equally strong opinions MTVN.

Or are strong opinions only allowed when some mods and some posters are in agreement? Seems the case.

[Kizzy]

Me and kate do...Cos we is rebels...

[Kate!]

Originally Posted by kizzy

Me and kate do...Cos we is rebels...

Yes I break this law, I also steal grapes ..... Get the gallows ready, I'm such a bad ass.

Kizzy, pack your stuff, I'm coming to get you. We are going on the run.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by *Kate*

Yes I break this law, I also steal grapes ..... Get the gallows ready, I'm such a bad ass.

Kizzy, pack your stuff, I'm coming to get you. We are going on the run.

You big ass criminal that you are. I hope this does not lead you down the path to utter ruination Kate.

[MTVN]

Pyramid you also posted a non-serious comment didn't you?

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

You big ass criminal that you are. I hope this does not lead you down the path to utter ruination Kate.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Pyramid you also posted a non-serious comment didn't you?

Which one was that then?

the one about Kate not starting on the path to ruination? It's a fair point... one thing leads to another.

Or are you less interested in keeping the thread on topic - and more interesting in finding fault MTVN - rather than removing the posts which are more suited to Chat?

surely this could have been addressed via pm MTVN.

Or perhaps I should simply have reported Kate and Kizzy's comments.

If you prefer that I do that, that's fine. I was actually hoping that a mod would actually steer the topic back to it's serious dicussion theme....

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

The BBC do a fantastic job. Their documentaries are renowned across the world, and foreign countries respect the BBC news/World service far more than they trust their own news.

We should be extremely proud.

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Very good points there.

They do the most fab documentaries and as you rightly say: they are highly trusted the world over.

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I love the fact there are no ads

Originally Posted by Josy

I like the BBC and I also like the fact that they don't have ads.

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

It would be impossible to produce the quality of programming that they do, without us paying for it. They could run without it, of course they could, but it would be a catastrophe to have the BBC turn into an ITV clone. You may not appreciate all the documentaries that they make, as they're not for everyone.

We lose the BBC at our peril.

Originally Posted by Redway

I'm very mixed on the BBC. I like the fact that they don't do adverts between television shows but the license fee thing really gets on my nerves. A lot of shows on the BBC are totally undeserving of money that's been difficult to get. It feels like paying for trash at times.

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

Depends. I don't watch any of the fluff programming they make. I watch most of their documentaries though, and believe me, there is no other company on earth that makes the same high quality programmes as the BBC. They are respected and admired across the world.

There should be some things that are above being sent into the market place to fight for existence. The BBC is one of them.

The BBC should be protected, and I'm glad they are.

Originally Posted by Black Dagger

I really like the BEEB.

Good shows, good service imo.

Originally Posted by Niall

I love the BBC. They're the only on thats pretty watchable out of ITV, C5, C4 and Sky1. They spend the money procured from licensing fees on quality documentaries, like Planet Earth, and Frozen Planet and all that. You also get all the programmes they air on BBC3 too. The documentaries that they put on there are actually really good most of the time. The reality shows they have are pretty damn good too (World's Strictest Parents, Blood Sweat and T-Shirts).

I mean if you removed the license fee and made them go commercial, then it'd probably degenerate into some trashy mess like ITV.

Originally Posted by Jack_

The BBC are a fantastic broadcasting institution which we should all be proud of.

I quite like their liberal existence, and their balanced, fair and detailed coverage of news events. Their political programmes and coverage are top draw, better than any other channel's offering in the UK, as are their documentaries. There's a wide range of programming available to all kinds of ages and interests, far greater than any other organisation has to offer.

And the no ads are a bonus - although I prefer having no ads on BBC Radio channels (who wants to hear adverts whilst you're listening to something?), I think I actually prefer having adverts on the TV, but only from a 'I want a break to go and get something' point of view.

At the end of the day we should be very thankful we don't have yet another organisation owned by some vile media mogul like Rupert Murdoch. The BBC, along with the NHS, are one of the last few state-funded and publicly owned institutions and I believe it should remain that way. We're already far too down the road of privatising everything, let's not take that any further.

Originally Posted by Jack_

No. Just no.

We should all be proud that we all pay into and effectively share an institution collectively, which can be enjoyed by not only everyone in the UK, but in many places around the world. An institution that has its content and programming as its main, primary focus, rather than yet another organisation owned by a Rupert Murdoch type only interested in profit and more importantly, shoving its own political allegiance down our throats.

God forbid that ever happens to the BBC. Just imagine it...The Sun TV. Or how about the UK's version of Fox News?

Originally Posted by Shaun

Generally hold them in extremely high regard. Their news reporting is, for the most part, neutral and informative and without extremity or fearmongering (ITV, Sky, Fox...). Their programming is generally excellent too - there's a whole range of programmes I could complain about and often do (the majority of BBC3 shows, the soaps and all of the daytime antique crap).

I don't like the idea of paying towards the judges on the Voice but it's such a negligible amount and the available good-quality programmes sort of makes up for it. If you think about all of the Sir David Attenborough documentaries, uncountable comedy classics and their world coverage they're a far more valuable broadcaster than the others.

Lovin' your work, guys .....

As a fully paid-up licence-holder, I only ever watch BBC, never ITV, C4 & C5 infrequently and I cancelled all TV subscriptions (terrestrial, satellite or otherwise) years ago.

I refuse to watch any program with advertisements in and will find mechanisms to bypass advertising in programs containing same.

[Kizzy]

Fundis on the run!

[Kate!]

Originally Posted by kizzy

Fundis on the run!

Wanted!!!! Female Fundis heading for the border, do not approach, these women have handbags and are lethal.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by *Kate*

Wanted!!!! Female Fundis heading for the border, do not approach, these women have handbags and are lethal.

What ever happened to this being a serious thread... you know, serious debate and all that.

[Kizzy]

Just trying to lighten the mood pyra....Could get offended at your 'no better than benefit cheats' comment but I won't.
You could just as easily have said politicians who fiddle their expenses...
Thats fraud too.

[InOne]

I don't mind the BBC and do watch it a fair bit, also like their radio stations. I used to pay my TV licence by direct debit every month. Now I don't pay it at all.

[MTVN]

*sigh*

As you were, I can't be bothered getting into this Pyramid, I've made my point

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by MTVN

*sigh*

As you were, I can't be bothered getting into this Pyramid, I've made my point

Which point did you make MTVN.

My point was in fact on topic...... one act of non payment and getting away with it, could indeed give rise to avoiding other payments that many citizens pay....... the grin I used was to signify that I was not altogether serious that Kate was going to start dealing in Class A drugs or such like.

[Kate!]

Stop talking billocks Pyra.

[InOne]

I'm pretty sure my mum pays it though. hehe

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by InOne

I'm pretty sure my mum pays it though. hehe

Given that you therefore are not the householder, nor responsible for the tv as such, that's not quite the same as not paying for it.

Your mum does.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Given that you therefore are not the householder, nor responsible for the tv as such, that's not quite the same as not paying for it.

Your mum does.

Which is what I just said...

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by InOne

Which is what I just said...

which is what I confirmed as you saying.

[Kizzy]

I said I could get offended....I didn't say I was...
Why is it like benefit fraud as opposed to any other kind of fraud?...
Do you associate the avoidance to pay for this service with benefit claimants?