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[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Redway

Instead of just locking 'heated' threads I'd rather it was allowed to pan out a little further so Glenn can see just how stupid his views are.

Stupid views? Only I thought it was just established that people have different views on things and they should be respected.
Or are your views superior to mine?

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Glenn

Stupid views? Only I thought it was just established that people have different views on things and they should be respected.
Or are your views superior to mine?

Does that sort of attitude extend to racism and sexism? Do these also deserve respect because they're 'different views'?

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Redway

Does that sort of attitude extend to racism and sexism? Do these also deserve respect because they're 'different views'?

That's a completely different argument. Racism and sexism is basically bullying. Nothing to do with the act of suicide.

You can't just call someone stupid because they disagree with you. It's not really a debate that is it?

[Ryan.]

What about those that are driven to suicide by, dare I say the b word, bullies?

[LemonJam]

It completely depends on the situation the person's in IMO. I don't think it's a black and white discussion whatsoever.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by LemonJam

It completely depends on the situation the person's in IMO. I don't think it's a black and white discussion whatsoever.

great post,some people are stronger than others.

[MTVN]

I don't think it's really fair to call people selfish because I don't think anyone but the person themselves can comprehend the mindset of a suicidal person and how they must feel to consider taking their own life to be the only possible solution to their problems

Also give it a rest Redway with going on about how stupid or idiotic people are because they disagree with you, if people can't debate it in a reasonable way then yes the thread will be closed

[Lee.]

There is no right or wrong answer to this question. It's one subject which is very personal and I for one wouldn't get into an argument as to whether it is selfish or an easy way out.

I think to some, suicide does seem the easy way out, to others it is the only way out.

[Lee.]

There is no right or wrong answer to this question. It's one subject which is very personal and I for one wouldn't get into an argument as to whether it is selfish or an easy way out.

I think to some, suicide does seem the easy way out, to others it is the only way out.

[Glenn.]

Sure.

[Ninastar]

who are you to say that someones opinion about this is wrong? :/

Anyway, i see it from both sides really. I think in some ways it's selfish, but I feel like a lot of the time it can't be helped.

[Me. I Am Salman]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

who are you to say that someones opinion about this is wrong? :/

Anyway, i see it from both sides really. I think in some ways it's selfish, but I feel like a lot of the time it can't be helped.

Agree with this

[cassieparis]

It's not an easy way out. I think it's very tragic painful and hard.
However in the case of some of our most notorious killers who have done it or tried it I think it's easier than living with what they've done.

[Sam:)]

It actually is selfish, I've read something on facebook that made me change my mind

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...I've never felt like I wanted to end my life, so it's hard to imagine how much pain someone who does feels. I do know what it's like to suffer from depression though...and you lose all of your abilities and skills to cope...with anything..or anyone..just getting yourself through a day drains you. This means that you are unable to consider anyone else around you, their feelings or how it's affecting them..it's impossible to do. It's hard for people to understand that, because their mind is calm and rational...whereas yours is not. It may be that suicide is selfish, but I would doubt that person is capable of any thought other than to put an end to their pain. They also probably think that everyone around them would live a happier life without them.....

...people aren't always in control of their emotional pain and if a pain is intense, it's a natural reaction to want it to stop...that's not selfish..there is no rational or logical thought that would make it selfish....

Exhibit A) Excellently executed post summing up from experience the pain and solitude of depression and touching on the emotional turmoil that people go through which distances them from the people they love and who love them.

Originally Posted by Sam:)

It actually is selfish, I've read something on facebook that made me change my mind

Exhibit B) A conclusion reached on this very profound topic after reading something that was badly written in one ENORMOUS paragraph, on Facebook. Love ya Sam... but... no.

[Sam:)]

I'll spoiler it but here is what I was talking about

Spoiler:

Wanna kill yourself? Imagine this. You come home from school one day. You've had yet another horrible day. You’re just ready to give up. So you go to your room, close the door, and take out that suicide note you've written and rewritten over and over and over. You take out those razor blades, and cut for the very last time. You grab that bottle of pills and take them all. Laying down, holding the letter to your chest, you close your eyes for the very last time. A few hours later, your little brother knocks on your door to come tell you dinners ready. You don’t answer, so he walks in. All he sees is you laying on your bed, so he thinks you’re asleep. He tells your mom this. Your mom goes to your room to wake you up. She notices something is odd. She grabs the paper in your hand and reads it. Sobbing, she tries to wake you up. She’s screaming your name. Your brother, so confused, runs to go tell Dad that “Mommy is crying and sissy won’t wake up.” Your dad runs to your room. He looks at your mom, crying, holding the letter to her chest, sitting next to your lifeless body. It hits him, what’s going on, and he screams. He screams and throws something at the wall. And then, falling to his knees, he starts to cry. Your mom crawls over to him, and they sit there, holding each other, crying. The next day at school, there’s an announcement. The principal tells everyone about your suicide. It takes a few seconds for it to sink in, and once it does, everyone goes silent. Everyone blames themselves. Your teachers think they were too hard on you. Those mean popular girls, they think of all the things they've said to you. That boy that used to tease you and call you names, he can’t help but hate himself for never telling you how beautiful you really are. Your ex boyfriend, the one that you told everything to, that broke up with you.. He can’t handle it. He breaks down and starts crying, and runs out of the school. Your friends? They’re sobbing too, wondering how they could never see that anything was wrong, wishing they could have helped you before it was too late. And your best friend? She’s in shock. She can’t believe it. She knew what you were going through, but she never thought it would get that bad… Bad enough for you to end it. She can’t cry, she can’t feel anything. She stands up, walks out of the classroom, and just sinks to the floor. Shaking, screaming, but no tears coming out. It’s a few days later, at your funeral. The whole town came. Everyone knew you, that girl with the bright smile and bubbly personality. The one that was always there for them, the shoulder to cry on. Lots of people talk about all the good memories they had with you, there were a lot. Everyone’s crying, your little brother still doesn't know you killed yourself, he’s too young. Your parents just said you died. It hurts him, a lot. You were his big sister, you were supposed to always be there for him. Your best friend, she stays strong through the entire service, but as soon as they start lowering your casket into the ground, she just loses it. She cries and cries and doesn't stop for days. It’s two years later. The whole school talks to a counselor/therapist at least once a week. Your teachers all quit their job. Those mean girls have eating disorders now. That boy that used to tease you cuts himself. Your ex boyfriend doesn't know how to love anymore and just sleeps around with girls. Your friends all go into depression. Your best friend? She tried to kill herself. She didn’t succeed like you did, but she tried… your brother? He finally found out the truth about your death. He self harms, he cries at night, he does exactly what you did for years leading up to your suicide. Your parents? Their marriage fell apart. Your dad became a workaholic to distract himself from your death. Your mum got diagnosed with depression and just lays in bed all day. People care. You may not think so, but they do. Your choices don’t just affect you. They affect everyone.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Sam:)

I'll spoiler it but here is what I was talking about

Spoiler:

Wanna kill yourself? Imagine this. You come home from school one day. You've had yet another horrible day. You’re just ready to give up. So you go to your room, close the door, and take out that suicide note you've written and rewritten over and over and over. You take out those razor blades, and cut for the very last time. You grab that bottle of pills and take them all. Laying down, holding the letter to your chest, you close your eyes for the very last time. A few hours later, your little brother knocks on your door to come tell you dinners ready. You don’t answer, so he walks in. All he sees is you laying on your bed, so he thinks you’re asleep. He tells your mom this. Your mom goes to your room to wake you up. She notices something is odd. She grabs the paper in your hand and reads it. Sobbing, she tries to wake you up. She’s screaming your name. Your brother, so confused, runs to go tell Dad that “Mommy is crying and sissy won’t wake up.” Your dad runs to your room. He looks at your mom, crying, holding the letter to her chest, sitting next to your lifeless body. It hits him, what’s going on, and he screams. He screams and throws something at the wall. And then, falling to his knees, he starts to cry. Your mom crawls over to him, and they sit there, holding each other, crying. The next day at school, there’s an announcement. The principal tells everyone about your suicide. It takes a few seconds for it to sink in, and once it does, everyone goes silent. Everyone blames themselves. Your teachers think they were too hard on you. Those mean popular girls, they think of all the things they've said to you. That boy that used to tease you and call you names, he can’t help but hate himself for never telling you how beautiful you really are. Your ex boyfriend, the one that you told everything to, that broke up with you.. He can’t handle it. He breaks down and starts crying, and runs out of the school. Your friends? They’re sobbing too, wondering how they could never see that anything was wrong, wishing they could have helped you before it was too late. And your best friend? She’s in shock. She can’t believe it. She knew what you were going through, but she never thought it would get that bad… Bad enough for you to end it. She can’t cry, she can’t feel anything. She stands up, walks out of the classroom, and just sinks to the floor. Shaking, screaming, but no tears coming out. It’s a few days later, at your funeral. The whole town came. Everyone knew you, that girl with the bright smile and bubbly personality. The one that was always there for them, the shoulder to cry on. Lots of people talk about all the good memories they had with you, there were a lot. Everyone’s crying, your little brother still doesn't know you killed yourself, he’s too young. Your parents just said you died. It hurts him, a lot. You were his big sister, you were supposed to always be there for him. Your best friend, she stays strong through the entire service, but as soon as they start lowering your casket into the ground, she just loses it. She cries and cries and doesn't stop for days. It’s two years later. The whole school talks to a counselor/therapist at least once a week. Your teachers all quit their job. Those mean girls have eating disorders now. That boy that used to tease you cuts himself. Your ex boyfriend doesn't know how to love anymore and just sleeps around with girls. Your friends all go into depression. Your best friend? She tried to kill herself. She didn’t succeed like you did, but she tried… your brother? He finally found out the truth about your death. He self harms, he cries at night, he does exactly what you did for years leading up to your suicide. Your parents? Their marriage fell apart. Your dad became a workaholic to distract himself from your death. Your mum got diagnosed with depression and just lays in bed all day. People care. You may not think so, but they do. Your choices don’t just affect you. They affect everyone.

Sums up my view on suicide perfectly

[arista]

No its not a good way out of Life.


Some women have taken there life
as the man they want
they can not have.


Thats so sad

[Ninastar]

I think Sam is allowed his own opinion, but I agree that the facebook thing is total ****

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

I think Sam is allowed his own opinion, but I agree that the facebook thing is total ****

Oh yes, I agree. Sam is most certainly allowed his opinion. He's bright though; so it surprises me that his opinion comes from that piece. I don't mean to offend him.

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Livia

Oh yes, I agree. Sam is most certainly allowed his opinion. He's bright though; so it surprises me that his opinion comes from that piece. I don't mean to offend him.

I hate reading these things on facebook, because even though they do have a point, they make so many kids believe it and then they become 'experts' on the subject.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

I hate reading these things on facebook, because even though they do have a point, they make so many kids believe it and then they become 'experts' on the subject.

True. Articles like that are one-sided. Someone suffering from depression, as Ammi said, doesn't have the capacity to think about those around them. I don't think they have enough emotion left for anyone else. It's very sad all round.

[Sam:)]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

I hate reading these things on facebook, because even though they do have a point, they make so many kids believe it and then they become 'experts' on the subject.

I agree with this, You get people who actually do bully people thinking there all high and mighty by posting statuses. No amount of words can describe the pain caused from suicide, the effects it causes and the pain the people who kill themselves go through.

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Sam:)

I agree with this, You get people who actually do bully people thinking there all high and mighty by posting statuses. No amount of words can describe the pain caused from suicide, the effects it causes and the pain the people who kill themselves go through.

you're right.

but facebook is fake as hell, and I wouldn't be surprised if the person who wrote that was a bully themselves, just looking for likes