[Munchkins]

Lowering the limit to such an extent, wouldn't give the mother the chance to fully decide on the decision, and would probably lead to more rushed, regretful abortions...
Agreed that fully illegalising it will revert back to the awful back street abortions..

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by The Mockinator

I think it's stupid for calling single people sluts though, the ones I class as sluts are people who have already got a partner but decide to sleep around the block 24/7.

..those are people who cheat on their partners and don't have much respect for themselves...slut is a very overused word...

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by nicole_burks

Most of the time those are called sluts, Claudia.

by prudes with a wonderfully dull life, and too much time invested in others'.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Shaun

by prudes with a wonderfully dull life, and too much time invested in others'.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

Who says?

I think sexual intercourse could be primarily for fun if you like.

Of course it's for fun if you like.

What I'm saying is, is that biologically it is there to create offspring. Therefore, whether you want a child or not you run the risk of making one every time you have sex. Therefore, you should be prepared for that outcome.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

Of course it's for fun if you like.

What I'm saying is, is that biologically it is there to create offspring. Therefore, whether you want a child or not you run the risk of making one every time you have sex. Therefore, you should be prepared for that outcome.

Nobody should ever have sex unless they're prepared to have a child? That's pretty crazy

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Nobody should ever have sex unless they're prepared to have a child? That's pretty crazy

Not crazy at all.
Biologically, we have those organs to reproduce and keep our species going.
Therefore if you intend to use those organs, you should be mature enough to deal with the consequences.

[nicole_burks]

Oh, and for the thing on adoption, nothing irritates me more to see someone who had a disabled child and give them up for adoption.

If you can't take care of the child in the first place, you were probably unfit to be a mother all together. Shouldn't be taking in sexual practices in the first place.

[LemonJam]

Mother of lol some of these responses.

I'm pro-choice.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LemonJam

Mother of lol some of these responses.

I'm pro-choice.

Can you not cope with someone having a different perspective/opinion?

[LemonJam]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

Can you not cope with someone having a different perspective/opinion?

I find the idea that people should only have sex for reproduction kind of funny, yes.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LemonJam

I find the idea that people should only have sex for reproduction kind of funny, yes.

If that is in reference to one of my posts - that's not what I said.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by LemonJam

I find the idea that people should only have sex for reproduction kind of funny, yes.

No one's saying that you should only have sex for reproduction but if you're going to have sex at all, be prepared to face the consequences. And if you can't then why have it at all? It's just piss poor thinking.

[LemonJam]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

If that is in reference to one of my posts - that's not what I said.

Originally Posted by Redway

No one's saying that you should only have sex for reproduction but if you're going to have sex at all, be prepared to face the consequences. And if you can't then why have it at all? It's just piss poor thinking.

erm okay, so if for example the condom splits and the woman becomes pregnant are you genuinely saying she just has to face the consequences?

[AnnieK]

Such an emotive subject. I personally could never have an abortion, regardless of circumstance BUT I do think that it is a completely personal decision.

Legal limits should be dropped dramatically, I actually do not know how anyone can abort a child at the upper limits now as the mother would have felt that child move by then..

I also can't imagine carrying a baby to term and then giving it up either.

What I can't believe is that you can have an abortion later than the already crazyily late 24 weeks for certain medical conditions which are not life threatening such as a cleft lip!!!

[Tom4784]

You can have your opinions, he is entitled to choose to laugh at them as is anyone.

[the truth]

every abortion is a tragedy and is a dead baby. Thats just the truth of the matter. I voted for relative morality , give women as much option and info as possible, also allow the father to be a voice in the overall discussion. i would also reduce it from 24 weeks. a 24 week year old baby is pretty much a fully formed baby. whats the difference between killing it inside or outside the womb?

it needs to become less of a male v female issue. everything must be included in evaluating it. also I reject the suggestion its insulting to women to have more options available to them. I dont care a damn about offending women or anyone, we are talking life and death and ego must go out the window. obviously if the mothers health is at risk and abortion is the medical recommendation thats 100% fine. if shes raped and she wants an abortion, get it done as early as possible. but anything else I would fight to ensure the abortion clinic and all the medical staff take everyhting into account , including the fathers feelings about having his child being aborted, they should be offering all options to the mother, then within the limit she has the ultimate decision.

personally Id show the mother to be photos of aborted babies. she needs to be fully aware that a life is being taken

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by the truth

i would also reduce it from 24 weeks. a 24 week year old baby is pretty much a fully formed baby. whats the difference between killing it inside or outside the womb?

I agree. Especially because nowadays smaller and smaller, more premature babies can actually survive outside of the womb.

[Vicky.]

The huge majority of abortions are carried out before the 12 week mark. Only around 10% are done after 13 weeks. An abortion done after this time is more likely to be a case of the child having disabilities (which sometimes cannot be picked up on until your 20 week scan) or it turns out continuing with the pregnancy would cause health risks to the mother, or someone not finding out they were pregnant until very late. So to me, the argument on lowering the time limit...well its kinda self regulating anyway to begin with.

Most abortions (around 90%) are carried out before a pregnancy reaches 13 weeks, and virtually all abortions (around 98%) are performed before 20 weeks.

http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Abortio...t-be-done.aspx

It is quite upsetting though to think that a child born at 24 weeks has a ~40% chance of survival (with a lot of medical intervention..and would usually have severe disabilities as a result of such a premature birth though) whereas terminations can be carried out up until this time too.
I am pro-choice, however I detest those who have multiple abortions, as clearly they do not take it as seriously as it is. I also do not understand why people would continue to have abortions rather than use contraception in future...as abortions are extremely painful, both physically and mentally.

Edit. I also hold the (usually quite unpopular) opinion that a childs father should also have a say in things like this. At the moment it is only down to the woman. While it is her body and her health that would be affected by continuing with the pregnancy, I do not think it is right for the father to have no say at all in the life of his baby.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

The huge majority of abortions are carried out before the 12 week mark. Only around 10% are done after 13 weeks. An abortion done after this time is more likely to be a case of the child having disabilities (which sometimes cannot be picked up on until your 20 week scan) or it turns out continuing with the pregnancy would cause health risks to the mother, or someone not finding out they were pregnant until very late. So to me, the argument on lowering the time limit...well its kinda self regulating anyway to begin with.


http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Abortio...t-be-done.aspx

It is quite upsetting though to think that a child born at 24 weeks has a ~40% chance of survival (with a lot of medical intervention..and would usually have severe disabilities as a result of such a premature birth though) whereas terminations can be carried out up until this time too.
I am pro-choice, however I detest those who have multiple abortions, as clearly they do not take it as seriously as it is. I also do not understand why people would continue to have abortions rather than use contraception in future...as abortions are extremely painful, both physically and mentally.

..I agree..

[Shaun]

I just... the whole issue frustrates me. Why do you care? It doesn't affect you. It makes me laugh whenever men try to act all moral about it. Grow a uterus, then see how you feel about a society telling you you must keep a baby after having sex.

I guess the whole personal connection makes me a bit hotheaded about the topic - my sister's had two pregnancy scares and I've discussed the possibility of abortion with her both times. Obviously I don't scream at her "ABORT! ABORT!" but I just remind her that she's not got a great career, she lives with her mother, she's only 19 and she has no life experience yet. It turned out in the end that both times she miscarried, but the idea of someone that young and that naive being a mother because some people would tell her she's got to live with her "mistakes" (I mean really, go throw a frisbee or something. Chill the **** out.) angers me.

and yes, marsh, your genitals are essentially there for reproduction. but then, your feet are essentially there for walking, and I see a hell of a lot of ballroom dancing on television and no one's complaining.

I agree with you though that sex education needs more time to develop in schools - it's still only really a recent phenomena, and there's still too much religion and abstinence taught with regard to it. It's no coincidence that the most open and blunt countries (Netherlands, Sweden, Norway, Denmark) have the lowest rates of teenage pregnancy.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Shaun

Grow a uterus

My, my, I am astounded by your very mature and concise argument.

In order to have an opinion or any knowledge on the matter I must have a uterus myself. Hmmm.... yeah.

Originally Posted by Shaun

and yes, marsh, your genitals are essentially there for reproduction. but then, your feet are essentially there for walking, and I see a hell of a lot of ballroom dancing on television and no one's complaining.

The fact you find that in the slightest but comparable tells me everything I need to know about how well you've thought that through. Since when did an appearance on Strictly Come Dancing lead to the very huge and life changing decision of bringing a human being into the world?

And you have some need to tell people to "chill out". We are all having a discussion, you are the one getting irate. Calm down and use your brain.

And if everyone took the stance of "It doesn't affect you therefore why do you care?" then the world would be in an even worse state than it already is. Not caring is what leads to problems.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Shaun

I just... the whole issue frustrates me. Why do you care? It doesn't affect you. It makes me laugh whenever men try to act all moral about it. Grow a uterus, then see how you feel about a society telling you you must keep a baby after having sex.

I guess the whole personal connection makes me a bit hotheaded about the topic - my sister's had two pregnancy scares and I've discussed the possibility of abortion with her both times. Obviously I don't scream at her "ABORT! ABORT!" but I just remind her that she's not got a great career, she lives with her mother, she's only 19 and she has no life experience yet. It turned out in the end that both times she miscarried, but the idea of someone that young and that naive being a mother because some people would tell her she's got to live with her "mistakes" (I mean really, go throw a frisbee or something. Chill the **** out.) angers me.

and yes, marsh, your genitals are essentially there for reproduction. but then, your feet are essentially there for walking, and I see a hell of a lot of ballroom dancing on television and no one's complaining.

I agree with you though that sex education needs more time to develop in schools - it's still only really a recent phenomena, and there's still too much religion and abstinence taught with regard to it. It's no coincidence that the most open and blunt countries (Netherlands, Sweden, Norway, Denmark) have the lowest rates of teenage pregnancy.

If it comes down to a choice between angering you or killing a baby, then your anger is irrelevant. also why are you allowed an opinion on the topic and Im not? Men have every right to an opinion, especially the fathers of the child about to be murdered.

[Marsh.]

Yes, we've reach an impasse.

Nice discussing with you anyway.

[Niall]

I'm pro-choice. It's a women's perogative over what she wants to do with her body so to my mind it's a moral thing.