[MTVN]

Would make more sense if it had been the other way round tbh

[Vanessa]

My friend from Afghanistan was not impressed with Obama winning. And i was going on about how much i love him! I have no tact whatsoever!

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Would make more sense if it had been the other way round tbh

[Raph]

Fantastic!

[MTVN]

[Me. I Am Salman]

Brilliant news and Donald Trump is a ****er

[Maia]

Good old Donald

[Redway]

Thank God for that. I dread to think what a mess things would be in right now had Romney been elected.

[Sticks]

Plus, and I realise how unsavoury this will sound, but Mitt's connection to the Mormon church was for me a cause for concern. That is an organisation that has lied to and deceived it's own members and covered up issues from it's past.

Anyone who has studied various cults will be aware of some of those issues.

Had Mitt got in, who is to say what influence they would have tried to wield from behind the scenes.

Barak was the best option there was.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Sticks

Plus, and I realise how unsavoury this will sound, but Mitt's connection to the Mormon church was for me a cause for concern. That is an organisation that has lied to and deceived it's own members and covered up issues from it's past.

Anyone who has studied various cults will be aware of some of those issues.

Had Mitt got in, who is to say what influence they would have tried to wield from behind the scenes.

Barak was the best option there was.

Obama is religious and hes great so I dont concur with anti - religious zealotry. though specifically the mormon church probably has the same level of corruption as most other places. doesnt make it all bad. they do lots of great work in america and worldwide, as do all churches.

[Roy Mars III]

Originally Posted by Sticks

Plus, and I realise how unsavoury this will sound, but Mitt's connection to the Mormon church was for me a cause for concern. That is an organisation that has lied to and deceived it's own members and covered up issues from it's past.

Anyone who has studied various cults will be aware of some of those issues.

Had Mitt got in, who is to say what influence they would have tried to wield from behind the scenes.

Barak was the best option there was.

I understand but the Mormon church is in a totally different place than it used to be even 20 years ago

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Roy Mars III

I understand but the Mormon church is in a totally different place than it used to be even 20 years ago

Just be careful not to destroy the church simply to play to the radical liberal audience on sites like this. all they talk about here is the bad in the church, they ignore the millions of great things the Church does worldwide.

[Roy Mars III]

Originally Posted by the truth

Just be careful not to destroy the church simply to play to the radical liberal audience on sites like this. all they talk about here is the bad in the church, they ignore the millions of great things the Church does worldwide.

I agree with you there.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Roy Mars III

I agree with you there.

cheers

[Sticks]

Originally Posted by the truth

Just be careful not to destroy the church simply to play to the radical liberal audience on sites like this. all they talk about here is the bad in the church, they ignore the millions of great things the Church does worldwide.

But then an organisation can cultivate a public image which takes people in while hiding it's darker side.

Meanwhile I found this film on YouTube of which I have a copy on video

Youtube video

I also discovered that there is a sequel which was filmed about ten years later and the revelations were even worse.

Youtube video

There is even the case where a radio station did an expose of the church, so they bought the radio station and fired the presenter. So much for the American Freedom of Speech.

Watch those films and you will understand why some of us were relieved that Romney lost.

Note to moderator If you think this is too off topic feel free to split it off into another thread

[MTVN]

Just a formality really, the losing candidate always congratulates the winner, he did come across quite gracious in his speech

[Roy Mars III]

they always do that

[Niall]

Thank goodness. Now America won't degenerate into some Republican cesspool of hideously imbalanced capitalist ideology.

[the truth]

that is truly some funny ****

[Omah]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-20282797

US President Barack Obama has won the presidential vote in Florida - widening his electoral victory margin over Republican rival, Mitt Romney.

The vote count in the only state which had not declared a result from Tuesday's election gave Mr Obama 50% to Mr Romney's 49.1%, according to Florida state department figures.

Mr Obama has now won 332 electoral college votes - Mr Romney has 206.

Endof.

[joeysteele]

Glad Obama was re-elected and pleased he got Florida too. A more decisive victory plus his getting just over 50% of the total votes cast too. Good voting from the people of the USA.

[the truth]

yeah around 3 million clear votes in the end....BUT thats the easy part over, now to rebuild america