[the truth]

Originally Posted by The Mockinator

Now I agree with everything you've said there The Truth, I do think some people can blindly ignore when a black or asian person can be racist but when it's a white person being racist they get attacked.

If people weren't so scared of arresting black and asian people for hate crimes (like when the 3 muslim girls beat up the white girl and called her a white slag) then we probably could stop racism more, but the law is hopeless at stopping murderers, rapists, and paedophiles so this country will never be sorting out prejudice anytime soon until the 3 main crimes get better sentencing.

Well sometimes we agree, I just say it as I see it. there is also a bias in law in favour of women over men. so overall the white man gets it in the neck every time.

[Mystic Mock]

I'm not up on all the stats but I always find that if anything bad happens to a white girl (or any girl for that matter but especially white girls) the criminal always seems to get off in this country for the most ridiculous of reasons.

But I do feel that when any man get's sexually assaulted The Police and the civilians of the UK should take it more seriously than they do, myself included as when True Blood touched on the subject and I laughed at it then I realised that it really happens and that I'm glad True Blood highlighted it in a way, although they also treated it like a laughing matter which is shocking even for that show.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by The Mockinator

I'm not up on all the stats but I always find that if anything bad happens to a white girl (or any girl for that matter but especially white girls) the criminal always seems to get off in this country for the most ridiculous of reasons.

But I do feel that when any man get's sexually assaulted The Police and the civilians of the UK should take it more seriously than they do, myself included as when True Blood touched on the subject and I laughed at it then I realised that it really happens and that I'm glad True Blood highlighted it in a way, although they also treated it like a laughing matter which is shocking even for that show.

take luis suarez v patrice evra
everyone called suarez a racist , he got banned for months and nearly forced to leave the UK
yet evra also abused him and called him slave names , words suarez considered racist, yet his claim wasnt even taken seriously.
the whole culture is hysterical and biased now.
what of the false accusation by the chelsea player against the ref? he didnt even hear it, a brazillian black player who doesnt even speak english, said he heard the ref call the mikkel player monkey, in fact he called him mikkell....mikell then went berserk and allegedly started making threats in the referees room? all the white ref gets is his reputation destroyed and phenomenal stress for weeks. but not even an apology afterwardds

[Mystic Mock]

I don't know what Evra said so I can't comment.

And I agree about what Mikel's done to Clattenburg's career, even Clattenburg has been cleared from saying the word there will always be doubts in peoples minds about did he say it or not? a shame though as I just think Chelsea made a scapegoat out of him because of what happened with John Terry.

[Kizzy]

I do think the police are terrified of any bad press, that has gone some way to explaining why the abuses discovered in Rochdale were allowed to fester as long as they were.
There are people hammering home the message that most sexual abuse cases are by white males, however when you consider that the men involved in these cases are in an ethnic minority group who account for only 8% of the population, then the proportionality shows that there is a problem.

Originally Posted by Merry Kizzmas

I do think the police are terrified of any bad press, that has gone some way to explaining why the abuses discovered in Rochdale were allowed to fester as long as they were.
There are people hammering home the message that most sexual abuse cases are by white males, however when you consider that the men involved in these cases are in an ethnic minority group who account for only 8% of the population, then the proportionality shows that there is a problem.

Mohammed married Aisha aged 6, and had sex with her when she was 9, and he was 54. When this man is your moral guide, then one thing follows the other.

[Munchkins]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

Mohammed married Aisha aged 6, and had sex with her when she was 9, and he was 54. When this man is your moral guide, then one thing follows the other.

Oh my god... i studied Islam as part of my RS GCSE, and i knew she was a lot younger but not that much

Originally Posted by Mary Magdalene

Oh my god... i studied Islam as part of my RS GCSE, and i knew she was a lot younger but not that much

It's not really spoken about publicly, so we can avoid having a discussion about the things Mohammed actually did in his life. She was his friends daughter, and his friend wasn't keen, but Mohammed used his power to talk him in to it.

That's the final messenger from god, right there.

That's why the age of consent has been so low in many Muslim countries - although this is now being addressed bit by bit. In Yemen, for a long time, the age of consent was 9.

[Munchkins]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

It's not really spoken about publicly, so we can avoid having a discussion about the things Mohammed actually did in his life. She was his friends daughter, and his friend wasn't keen, but Mohammed used his power to talk him in to it.

That's the final messenger from god, right there.

That's why the age of consent has been so low in many Muslim countries - although this is now being addressed bit by bit. In Yemen, for a long time, the age of consent was 9.

Just awful..
I did really well in RS GCSE but we never got told that
and omg the age of consent in Yemen is STILL 9?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

It's not really spoken about publicly, so we can avoid having a discussion about the things Mohammed actually did in his life. She was his friends daughter, and his friend wasn't keen, but Mohammed used his power to talk him in to it.

That's the final messenger from god, right there.

That's why the age of consent has been so low in many Muslim countries - although this is now being addressed bit by bit. In Yemen, for a long time, the age of consent was 9.

That is absolutely disgusting.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Virgin Mock

I definitely agree with the bit in bold in particular, how they think The Police (who have alot of black Police Officers now) will arrest them because of the colour of there skin is quite ridiculous, if anyone gets arrested then there must be evidence.

Originally Posted by Virgin Mock

Now I agree with everything you've said there The Truth, I do think some people can blindly ignore when a black or asian person can be racist but when it's a white person being racist they get attacked.

If people weren't so scared of arresting black and asian people for hate crimes (like when the 3 muslim girls beat up the white girl and called her a white slag) then we probably could stop racism more, but the law is hopeless at stopping murderers, rapists, and paedophiles so this country will never be sorting out prejudice anytime soon until the 3 main crimes get better sentencing.

And you can't even say anything about it without being accused of being a racist.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Scouse Prezzie

And you can't even say anything about it without being accused of being a racist.

Well people are saying things about it now....
After the police were branded 'institutionally racist' they were naturally hesitant to be seen as the bearer of bad news.......
suck it up!
this is our doing.

[Kizzy]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-20409229
The report noted that unless a perpetrator has actually been arrested, it is difficult to be sure of their ethnicity. However, analysis of the reported ethnicity of more than 1,500 alleged perpetrators showed that about a third were white, the largest ethnic group.

"The reality is that each year thousands of children in England are raped and abused by people seeking to humiliate, violate and control them," said Ms Berelowitz.

"These have included children who have been abducted, trafficked, beaten and threatened after being drawn into a web of sexual violence by promises of love and others who have suffered in silence for years as they are casually and routinely raped by the boys in their neighbourhoods."

Andrew Flanagan, chief executive of the NSPCC, said: "Sex offenders come from all backgrounds but if there is a problem with one community in a particular areas we must be bold enough to address it and not just turn a blind eye.
Omah posted this info a couple of weeks ago, but it has relevance here.

[the truth]

Dare I say it Im glad Im a follower of Christianity and not islam or Judaism as theyre way more hard line.

[Redway]

Are you seriously suggesting that Christianity isn't as bad? The same religion that asks for gays to be stoned, and women to shut up in church, etc?

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Scouse Prezzie

Are you seriously suggesting that Christianity isn't as bad? The same religion that asks for gays to be stoned, and women to shut up in church, etc?

1) thats a lie and 2) yes Christianity is fantastic and infinitely more enlightened than these other religions imho and more enlightened than most posters on here.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by the truth

1) thats a lie and 2) yes Christianity is fantastic and infinitely more enlightened than these other religions imho and more enlightened than most posters on here.

No, it's not. Go and check out the Bible yourself. I cba posting links right now but you know exactly what I mean.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Scouse Prezzie

No, it's not. Go and check out the Bible yourself. I cba posting links right now but you know exactly what I mean.

You go and check it. Youre lying plain and simple. Show me where jesus said stone gays?

[Livia]

Everyone discriminates and everyone is discriminated against in one way or another.

[Brother Leon]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

Mohammed married Aisha aged 6, and had sex with her when she was 9, and he was 54. When this man is your moral guide, then one thing follows the other.

You do realise life was alot difference back then to now,right? Situations similar to this were common even in England too.

It's also ridiculous to assume a small minority of Asian men who do this is due to what you stated.

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

It's not really spoken about publicly, so we can avoid having a discussion about the things Mohammed actually did in his life.

It's used as a smear campaign all the time...

Originally Posted by Brother Leon

You do realise life was alot difference back then to now,right? Situations similar to this were common even in England too.

It's also ridiculous to assume a small minority of Asian men who do this is due to what you stated.



It's used as a smear campaign all the time...

Point 1 - Life may have been different, but this is a so-called prophet who supposedly had an angel Gabriel iphone with god on speed dial. If you're saying that the morality of humanity has changed to frown upon these things over time, then we are in agreement. What I find difficult to believe, is that you seem to be excusing his behaviour in the context of the time period. Either he was a prophet who should know better, or he's a power crazy peedophile. He can't be both.

I didn't say they did it because of the Aisha, I just gave context for it to happen. When their prophet is a child molester, who Muslims believe was the final messenger from God, and his actions in life (through the hadiths) are just as important as the Koran, then he can't be bound to the norms of that period in history.

If he was talking and receiving messages from god, why didn't the big man upstairs tell him "Oi, Mohammed, no marrying 6 year old girls, and ****ing them when they are 9.

I can be repulsed by the whole thing and see it for what it is. I don't have to try and play historical gymnastics to try and excuse the behaviour of men supposedly inspired by the creator of the universe.

Rather than worrying about the smear, maybe you'd care to counter it with a point other than, they were all paedo's back then?

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

Point 1 - Life may have been different, but this is a so-called prophet who supposedly had an angel Gabriel iphone with god on speed dial. If you're saying that the morality of humanity has changed to frown upon these things over time, then we are in agreement. What I find difficult to believe, is that you seem to be excusing his behaviour in the context of the time period. Either he was a prophet who should know better, or he's a power crazy peedophile. He can't be both.

I didn't say they did it because of the Aisha, I just gave context for it to happen. When their prophet is a child molester, who Muslims believe was the final messenger from God, and his actions in life (through the hadiths) are just as important as the Koran, then he can't be bound to the norms of that period in history.

If he was talking and receiving messages from god, why didn't the big man upstairs tell him "Oi, Mohammed, no marrying 6 year old girls, and ****ing them when they are 9.

I can be repulsed by the whole thing and see it for what it is. I don't have to try and play historical gymnastics to try and excuse the behaviour of men supposedly inspired by the creator of the universe.

Rather than worrying about the smear, maybe you'd care to counter it with a point other than, they were all paedo's back then?

is there a reason why you continue to smear Christianity and Islam, yet appear to support Judaism?

Originally Posted by the truth

is there a reason why you continue to smear Christianity and Islam, yet appear to support Judaism?

I don't support Judaism. It's just developed into more of a secular presence in every day life. Christianity and Islam want to have a say in the public sphere.

I'm an anti-theist. I don't believe any of it is true, and I'm glad it's not. I favour religions that are happy to keep themselves to themselves and aren't continually looking to grow.

When was the last time you saw a bunch of Jews out in the city centre trying to convert people? You don[t, and you never would. Religion in private, and staying out of the public debate is fine with me. Religion that wants to shape our public policy on abortion or anything else, is not OK with me.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by the truth

is there a reason why you continue to smear Christianity and Islam, yet appear to support Judaism?

The vast majority of Jews are lovely people and don't try and convert everyone. You wonder why most Christians and Muslims can't be more like the Jews, Hindus, Sikhs, who don't try and force religion on others.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Livia

Everyone discriminates and everyone is discriminated against in one way or another.

this all the way!