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Is this abuser Jesus H Christ still verbally abusing posters here? swearing directly at people is now acceptable on here? why havent the moderators removed him and his sick abuse?

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Merry Kizzmas

But if the hourly rate of pay has fallen therefore more people have less disposable income to spend on goods and services, so to me it's a lose lose situation..
Workers have less dosh
They spend less dosh
They contribute less dosh...
Who benefits from this senario?

the hourly rate will rise if consumer spedning rises (as a result of tax breaks for the poorest) they spend more, shops take more revenue and profits and that goes towards increased wages. many businesses paya basic plus a commission...again a factor ignored by the militant left when preaching about minimum wages. the commission incentivizes workers to sell more and do a better job. thenthey get the rightful rewards. this in turn increases their chances of full time posts and promotions. Be honest , work harder and better and ultimately you will get your just rewards. And youll sleep better at night.

Originally Posted by the truth

the hourly rate will rise if consumer spedning rises (as a result of tax breaks for the poorest) they spend more, shops take more revenue and profits and that goes towards increased wages. many businesses paya basic plus a commission...again a factor ignored by the militant left when preaching about minimum wages. the commission incentivizes workers to sell more and do a better job. thenthey get the rightful rewards. this in turn increases their chances of full time posts and promotions. Be honest , work harder and better and ultimately you will get your just rewards. And youll sleep better at night.

Poor people spend all the money they have. Commission is hardly ever a factor in lower paid jobs.

Just another point about that militant left, you keep on about. Without unions, kids were allowed to do manual jobs, employers could fire workers for no reason, pregnant women could be fired. Employers could have dangerous working practices etc.

When I worked for someone else, I was well paid through basic salary and commission + bonuses. I worked in sales. But the lower paid people in the office, like administrators never received the same bonuses that I did, and without them, I would have been unable to do my job as well.

Now I employ 2 people, and their whole salaries are based on commission. I pay them a basic, but they have to pay me back on a monthly basis before they start earning bonuses. Let's not pretend that commission is a universal thing that low wage workers get. They don't.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

Poor people spend all the money they have. Commission is hardly ever a factor in lower paid jobs.

Just another point about that militant left, you keep on about. Without unions, kids were allowed to do manual jobs, employers could fire workers for no reason, pregnant women could be fired. Employers could have dangerous working practices etc.

When I worked for someone else, I was well paid through basic salary and commission + bonuses. I worked in sales. But the lower paid people in the office, like administrators never received the same bonuses that I did, and without them, I would have been unable to do my job as well.

Now I employ 2 people, and their whole salaries are based on commission. I pay them a basic, but they have to pay me back on a monthly basis before they start earning bonuses. Let's not pretend that commission is a universal thing that low wage workers get. They don't.

Unions like the welfare state and the nhs were created for all the right reasons by truly great men. Sadly theyve grown into something completely different. They became bloated ridddled with corruption, self interest and pojnt scoring. Virtually bankrupting us a few times over the years. The nursing and teaching union have become so much this way theyve failed to weed out the enormous incompetence and malpractice , this results in a minute fraction of bad teachers and bad nurses being weeded out , warned and sacked. in the end the masses suffer.


as for your point about commission.No one pretended it was universal? however there is commission, rewards, bonuses and promotions available to a vast majority of honest hard working decent people.

Originally Posted by the truth

Unions like the welfare state and the nhs were created for all the right reasons by truly great men. Sadly theyve grown into something completely different. They became bloated ridddled with corruption, self interest and pojnt scoring. Virtually bankrupting us a few times over the years. The nursing and teaching union have become so much this way theyve failed to weed out the enormous incompetence and malpractice , this results in a minute fraction of bad teachers and bad nurses being weeded out , warned and sacked. in the end the masses suffer.


as for your point about commission.No one pretended it was universal? however there is commission, rewards, bonuses and promotions available to a vast majority of honest hard working decent people.

Would you say the same thing about the church? Unions protect workers, and that's what they do. They shouldn't be offering up pay cuts to rich corporations, just to make it so we don't have to hear about it on the news. It's a really sad and misguided opinion you have there.

No everyone has ambition, though, and commission isn't available to workers up and down the country. You won't find any manual workers earning commissions, rewards or bonuses. They will also have about 1 manager to a few hundred people. How often do you think the opportunity for promotion arises?

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Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

Would you say the same thing about the church? Unions protect workers, and that's what they do. They shouldn't be offering up pay cuts to rich corporations, just to make it so we don't have to hear about it on the news. It's a really sad and misguided opinion you have there.

No everyone has ambition, though, and commission isn't available to workers up and down the country. You won't find any manual workers earning commissions, rewards or bonuses. They will also have about 1 manager to a few hundred people. How often do you think the opportunity for promotion arises?

unions were introduced to protect workers but protectionism also has its downsides as Ive outlined. It also ensures the labour party rarely if ever keeps these unions honest enough.

as for the manual workers, some do get offered rewards and commissions and over time work. Also the chances of promotion was be tight, but if you keep adding to your cv, adding both experience and skills then you can always seek work elsewhere at a later stage. there are many courses being run all the time , whether it be forlift work, coach/minibus work and the courses do pay towards the training costs, in some cases they pay towards the whole costs. saldy councils have created so many unncessary rules that in fact contravene the law in some cases, that councils themselves hinder opportunities and decimate the local economies.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by the truth

the hourly rate will rise if consumer spedning rises (as a result of tax breaks for the poorest) they spend more, shops take more revenue and profits and that goes towards increased wages. many businesses paya basic plus a commission...again a factor ignored by the militant left when preaching about minimum wages. the commission incentivizes workers to sell more and do a better job. thenthey get the rightful rewards. this in turn increases their chances of full time posts and promotions. Be honest , work harder and better and ultimately you will get your just rewards. And youll sleep better at night.

Oh great! the poorest get a tax break so they can spend more but ohno! the cost of energy has just risen pushing up food costs...
Commission, how many jobs are commission based?
Are you meaning performance related pay?