[MTVN]

Oh no I'm sure you could if you wanted to, and I'm sure that you probably do want to

[lostalex]

If you really want to educate yourself, look into how many chinese firms have gotten oil contacts. Look at where that oil is going. Look at who's benefited the most from these wars. It's not America. it's China.

Follow the money.

Originally Posted by lostalex

If you really want to educate yourself, look into how many chinese firms have gotten oil contacts. Look at where that oil is going. Look at who's benefited the most from these wars. It's not America. it's China.

Follow the money.

I think his killing was a lawful action, but I don't think you can blame China for the fact both our governments lied us into the illegal Iraq war.

[MTVN]

Pakistan is not a terrorist state, it was thanks to them and with their assistance that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the mastermind of 9/11, was captured there. Ideally that is also how the Bin Laden operation would have been carried out

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Pakistan is not a terrorist state, it was thanks to them and with their assistance that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the mastermind of 9/11, was captured there. Ideally that is also how the Bin Laden operation would have been carried out

sorry but you are wrong, Pakistan, atleast the military is NOT a trusted ally. The pakistani's have tiped off terrorists a bunch of times before America was going to make a strike, that's why America didn't inform the Pakistani's about the strike to get Bin Laden, cause we'd tried to get him before, and everytime all of a sudden, they disappeared, and wow, when the pakistani's did tell us where a terrorist was, it turns out it was a wedding ceremony and they had us bombing political dissidents or someone that the pakistani military wanted to get rid of. They purposefully told us to bomb a location full of civilians, tellingt us it was terrorists, just to make the US look bad.

They have screwed us over sooo many times. they cannot be trusted.

The US had to learn the hard way that the pakistani's cannot be trusted, cause they'll just use us to kill the people they din't like, while still protecting the Taliban.

So obviously the Pakistani's cannot be trusted. Pakistan is a ****cake of horribleness, and i don't know how the military even tolerates them at this point.

[MTVN]

It is not a terrorist state though, and they have at times been very valuable to the West assisting in the "war on terror". I don't doubt though that there is a lot of anti-American sentiment among the population and within parts of the establishment itself, little wonder really with all the drone attacks

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by MTVN

It is not a terrorist state though, and they have at times been very valuable to the West assisting in the "war on terror". I don't doubt though that there is a lot of anti-American establishment among the population and withing parts of the establishment itself, little wonder really with all the drone attacks

so are you denying that they have actually told us targets, that turned out to be civilians, like weddings, just to make the US look bad?

They have done that. They told us, bomb this location to get this terrorist, and then it turn out to be a wedding or a mosque or some other civilian place. They do it on purpose.

They have screwed us over so many times, they cannot be trusted anymore.


If we trusted them about the Bin Laden raid, there's no way we would have got him. They would have warned him. You know that's true.

[MTVN]

What was the incident with the Wedding?

Would you deny that Pakistanis have legitimate reason to also not trust the US?

[lostalex]

i don't give a crap anymore, i'm just saying, we know not to trust Pakistan anymore.

For Bin Laden to be right under their noses for so long, he was literally right next to their biggest military training camp, you won't convince me that they didn't know he was there.

America didnt tell them cause we KNOW NOW that PAkistan is not on our side.

If we had tried t work with Pakistan on the Osama Bin Laden raid, you know that he would have gotten away. They cannot be trusted period.

[lostalex]

The truth is Muslims think that it's a war of the West against Islam. And plenty of people in their ranks will still be anti-west. no matter how much we try to tell them that it's not a war against Islam. They are brainwashed. like a cult.

Originally Posted by lostalex

The truth is Muslims think that it's a war of the West against Islam. And plenty of people in their ranks will still be anti-west. no matter how much we try to tell them that it's not a war against Islam. They are brainwashed. like a cult.

When Dubbya is on TV calling it a crusade, then I can sort of sympathise with my non-pork eating brothers and sisters.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

When Dubbya is on TV calling it a crusade, then I can sort of sympathise with my non-pork eating brothers and sisters.

really? can you? when's the last time a christian strapped a suicide vest on in a muslim market place? when's the last time a christian hijacked a plane in the name of jesus? get real.

i understand you want to be empathetic Jesus, but really... get real.

Originally Posted by lostalex

really? can you? when's the last time a christian strapped a suicide vest on in a muslim market place? when's the last time a christian hijacked a plane in the name of jesus? get real.

i understand you want to be empathetic Jesus, but really... get real.

I have no idea why any of that is relevant. It stopped being about 9/11 when our governments lied us into illegal war against Iraq. Afghanistan to get OBL was justified. Iraq wasn't.

I was responding to the point you made about Muslims thinking it was a war against the west. I think my point stacks up pretty well when you read it in that context. The Iraq war, plus dubbya talking of crusades would make me think they were taking a medieval approach to the Muslim world.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

I have no idea why any of that is relevant. It stopped being about 9/11 when our governments lied us into illegal war against Iraq. Afghanistan to get OBL was justified. Iraq wasn't.

I was responding to the point you made about Muslims thinking it was a war against the west. I think my point stacks up pretty well when you read it in that context. The Iraq war, plus dubbya talking of crusades would make me think they were taking a medieval approach to the Muslim world.

Well i don't think they lied. I think they were wrong, but they didn't lie. They were honestly responding to what they thought was a real threat though.

You forget what it was like in 2003. When everyone was screaming at the government "why didn't you prevent 9/11!, why didn't you catch it!" so of course they were being overly cautious.

It's easy to sit back in 2013 10 years later and forget the atmosphere of the time...

We were still scared in 2003, and we had a right to be scared in 2003.

It's easy to forget what it felt like in 2003. That's one of the problems with history, it's hard to make people remember what it actually felt like in that time period. Unfortunately historians don't do a good job of really describing what it FEELS LIKE to be in those periods.

[GypsyGoth]

I'm glad Bin Laden is dead, I think killing him was the right thing to do.

Was it lawful? Not by amreican laws, but by Bin Laden's own laws, it probably was. He seemed to think it's fine to kill anyone just to make a point.

[lostalex]

they wanted to bring him in alive, i'm sure the guys at guantanamo were foaming at the mouth thinking about the chance to get to torture that mutha fooka....

they were thinking, ohh, we gonna have some FUN with him...

personally i hope the conspiracy theories are right, i hope we do still have him alive somewhere, and we are torturing the crap out of him.


is that wrong of me? i'm sorry

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by lostalex

they wanted to bring him in alive, i'm sure the guys at guantanamo were foaming at the mouth thinking about the chance to get to torture that mutha fooka....

they were thinking, ohh, we gonna have some FUN with him...

personally i hope the conspiracy theories are right, i hope we do still have him alive somewhere, and we are torturing the crap out of him.


is that wrong of me? i'm sorry

Yes. Wrong and highly disturbing...

Guantanamo should've been shut down a long time ago.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Yes. Wrong and highly disturbing...

Guantanamo should've been shut down a long time ago.

wel it's in Cuba. a country that supposedly hates us...

so if even Cuba is okay with it, who are we to judge?

[InOne]

I think they messed up the mission when they landed and authorities found out, so that's why they had to go in for the quick kill and get out of there

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by InOne

I think they messed up the mission when they landed and authorities found out, so that's why they had to go in for the quick kill and get out of there

but they got out of there with his body...

[InOne]

Originally Posted by lostalex

but they got out of there with his body...

Or so they say

I'm only going by the long doc I watched on it around a year ago where Obama himself was talking about it.

[sassysocks]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

was it lawfull to kill osma bin laden with out a trial?
saddam hussain got a trial despite being responsable for the death's of thousand's more than osama bin laden!

true bin laden was the leader but he was not pulling the trigger,

Too right, he was scum. The world is a better place without him.