[Jack_]

Originally Posted by minny03

I agree with everything that's been said by most people in here (Jack, Patrick, etc.) I mean seriously, what the **** are the producers doing?! I honestly don't get it. How do the producers benefit from getting all the big characters out in the first few weeks? How does this help the show? Do they not want their own show to be successful?

They know exactly what will happen with vote to evict and this is what initially killed the show in the first place. There is a reason why most US reality shows are STILL successful after being on the air for more than ten years. The producers in America know the importance of making significant changes to their show before it becomes stale and boring. Sometimes the changes work, sometimes they don't. But what matters is that they make a gamble and try to do something new or different to make sure viewers keep watching their tv show.

I just can't believe that they would do something like this. BB14 had the potential of being a fantastic series and the producers ****ing ruined it in one fell swoop. I honestly need a logical explanation on why they make so many stupid decisions like this. Even on a business standpoint, how does getting the polarizing housemates out first help this program? Do they not see the value in people like Gina and Sallie?!!

*applauds*

Great post.

[pcro]

Originally Posted by minny03

There is a reason why most US reality shows are STILL successful after being on the air for more than ten years. The producers in America know the importance of making significant changes to their show before it becomes stale and boring. Sometimes the changes work, sometimes they don't. But what matters is that they make a gamble and try to do something new or different to make sure viewers keep watching their tv show.

careful what you wish for. The US big brother is not the standard to go by. They drained most of the essence of big brother out of that one years ago and we are left with show totally devoted to showmances and scripted bs. beyond that, it really hasnt changed in terms of format in years. Even the house stays virtually the same year after year save for new paint and fixtures. The housemates, when they arent actually returning players from previous seasons, are virtual replicas of previous players. Nah, for the disappointments that sometimes comes with BBUK, its still miles ahead of the yanks and canucks version.

[minny03]

I wasn't specifically talking about BBUS (that show annoys me at times, but it still manages to stay entertaining a lot longer than the BBUK version). I was thinking of other shows like Survivor or even Real World/Road Rules Challenge, which changes its theme and format every now and then from like "Battle of the Exes" to "Rivals" or to something else. I can't imagine where the show would be if they stuck to its original format.

What I'm trying to say from my original comment is that you can't expect a huge audience for a tv show if nothing ever changes. You have to change certain elements to keep your audience from straying. BBUK has been on since 2000 - but things are different now. What was entertaining back then for some people is not going to be entertaining now. You can't keep things the same. Something crucial has to change: like the VOTING FORMAT.

Producers from US reality shows understand this. On a show like Survivor, they brought in this stupid redemption island twist. And that lasted for like two seasons I think. You know why they got rid of it? Because it ended up being a boring disaster. They thought that redemption island would keep strong players from leaving too early and wanted to give those players a second chance in the game, but it did nothing good for the show. But at least they were smart enough to eliminate it and I respect them for trying to bring in something exciting to the game. Survivor, like Big Brother, is an aging show. You need to make changes once in awhile for it to survive.

[pcro]

Originally Posted by minny03

I wasn't specifically talking about BBUS (that show annoys me at times, but it still manages to stay entertaining a lot longer than the BBUK version). I was thinking of other shows like Survivor or even Real World/Road Rules Challenge, which changes its theme and format every now and then from like "Battle of the Exes" to "Rivals" or to something else. I can't imagine where the show would be if they stuck to its original format.

What I'm trying to say from my original comment is that you can't expect a huge audience for a tv show if nothing ever changes. You have to change certain elements to keep your audience from straying. BBUK has been on since 2000 - but things are different now. What was entertaining back then for some people is not going to be entertaining now. You can't keep things the same. Something crucial has to change: like the VOTING FORMAT.

Producers from US reality shows understand this. On a show like Survivor, they brought in this stupid redemption island twist. And that lasted for like two seasons I think. You know why they got rid of it? Because it ended up being a boring disaster. They thought that redemption island would keep strong players from leaving too early and wanted to give those players a second chance in the game, but it did nothing good for the show. But at least they were smart enough to eliminate it and I respect them for trying to bring in something exciting to the game. Survivor, like Big Brother, is an aging show. You need to make changes once in awhile for it to survive.

I agree you have to keep things fresh. But, in all fairness, few long running show today can expect to have viewers like it had 10 or even five years ago. There's just too many choices and fracturing of the audience. The aformentioned Survivor has lost three quarters of its audience from its glory days. Same goes for Amazing Race which has been on almost as long. Their audiences dwindle naturally but moreover they face so much for competition for viewers. All televison shows face this. It's just that few have been on for 10 or more years. BBUK is not immune to this. Nevber mind that it's moved to a much smaller channel. It's been on for 14 years and is long in the tooth and is competing for viewers in an entirely different marketpalce than was in place in 2000. At the end of the day, you can switch out hosts, spruce up the house, bring on twists etc. etc. The producers making better decision can slow the process but at the end of the day all shows simply have a lifecycle. The audience moves on. BB will never be restored to its former glory. But if it turns a bigger profit for Channel 5 than other alternatives it will carry on. If it doesn't it won't.

[arista]

No its to Early
to say its no good.


Give the Fecker a chance

[*mazedsalv**]

We need to vote out Dexter, it must happen!

But I bet next week if Dexter goes, it will be Gina vs. Sallie anyway.

[Fosse]

I don't really care if it's vote to save or vote to evict.

[zakman440]

I most definitely agree with those who are against it. A terrible desicion, and I didn't mind at first, but with such big characters up, it will go downhill, as the public always hate the big characters.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Shaun

standard "THAT'S IT " nonsense from people who'll be watching before next week.

people need to get to grips that entertainment is defined differently by people.

people also need to get used to the phenomenon that, in the first few weeks, if not the very first week, the loudmouth obnoxious arseholes WILL make themselves known and WILL get themselves evicted. it's inevitable. if they had any intelligence or common sense they'd lie low and emerge as a big character midway. i'm so bored of people writing off a series after the eviction of one or two housemates: people were like this with Jasmine Lennard and then the house went onto multiple other talking points (Julie's domineering, Danica/Situation/Lorenzo, Coleen vs. Julie).

it's just... how are you still shocked and upset about the angry bitch going first every single series? it's been over ten years for christ's sake.

[Marsh.]

Best series ever.
Worst series ever.
Series ruined.
Series improved.
Best house ever.
Worst house ever.
Best presenter.
Hate it. Love it. Hate it. Love it. Hate it. Love it.

Just stop putting such extreme judgements on the series before we've seen it unfold, it's been less than a bloody week.

[Patrick]

I'm thinking of ringing in to BOTS on Friday and annihilating them.

'patrick from belfast is on da phone! hai wats ur chat babe? '

'Let me speak to your manager.'

lol. It would completely ruin their night.

Originally Posted by 08marsh

Best series ever.
Worst series ever.
Series ruined.
Series improved.
Best house ever.
Worst house ever.
Best presenter.
Hate it. Love it. Hate it. Love it. Hate it. Love it.

Just stop putting such extreme judgements on the series before we've seen it unfold, it's been less than a bloody week.

We're being realistic. We've watched this show for years and know how it works and how it unfolds from here.

We've seen it all before. Anyone who actually thinks BB14 is going to BENEFIT from a Vote to Evict, is deluded in every way - it simply won't. You know that aswell as I do, surely.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Patrick

We're being realistic. We've watched this show for years and know how it works and how it unfolds from here.

We've seen it all before. Anyone who actually thinks BB14 is going to BENEFIT from a Vote to Evict, is deluded in every way - it simply won't. You know that aswell as I do, surely.

Saying categorically that the series is ruined with little to no actual evidence is just ridiculous. It makes you determined not to enjoy it.

And judging by BB13, vote to save makes very little difference especially when two housemates go head to head.

[reece(:]

AJ Odudu troll comment

[Jamesy]

Vote to evict worked in the earlier days of Big Brother. But it just doesn't work now. People vote out the louder ones and those people are usually the ones that make the show.

If we had vote to evict for the last CBB Spedi would have been out straight away. Vote to save works far better as people vote for the same housemates. No one votes to 'evict' or 'save' a housemate, they vote for the loudest and most known housemates. It's always been like that. However they market roughly the same votes will go to the same people regardless.

[Roy Mars III]

it hasn't even been a week yet

[Bluerang1]

Originally Posted by Roy Mars III

it hasn't even been a week yet

We can predict the future because it happens every year.

[Roy Mars III]

Originally Posted by Bluerang1

We can predict the future because it happens every year.

yea, people say it after every year, but it always turns out all right.

Gina will be going, and as entertaining as a few find her (not me), someone else will take her role or a role like hers. In six weeks no one will even remember who Gina was

[Roy Mars III]

Vote to Evict won't even really effect the series, half the vote to saves last year were head to head and they are the same as vote to evict.

[Rob!]

It really really hasn't ruined the series at all. How overdramatic can you be? We're on day 6. DAY 6.

[thesheriff443]

forum members you are the public, some on here think they are the all seeing eye!
its like this, people don't want to watch some no mark giving it the large for 3 months!.

[Black Dagger]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

forum members you are the public, some on here think they are the all seeing eye!
its like this, people don't want to watch some no mark giving it the large for 3 months!.

And plenty don't want to see dullards fly to the final having done nothing.

The BB11 final should show the producers why they chose VTS in the first place, going back to evict is stupid.. people saying 'oh but new characters will develop'... yes they will and be shipped out for it.

BB3/5/6/7 worked with vote to evict because viewers had common sense and the majority were big characters anyway, they don't now.

[JPG2502]

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/big_brother_2013

BRING BACK THE VOTE TO SAVE!!
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[Macie Lightfoot]

But the viewers never had common sense?

[Headie]

The odds are getting closer between her and Dexter.

Gina 1/2
Dexter 9/4
Sallie 5/1

If we all voted multiple times to evict Dexter (i.e. more than once) then I think we could actually get him evicted this week and Gina and Sallie would be saved.

[Maneki-neko]

It's never gonna be 2006 again I don't know what you people are expecting.