[InOne]

Originally Posted by jet

I think Jale has to handle the situation in whatever way she see's fit as she is the one in the firing line. We can all say she should do this or do that but we are not there in the confined claustrophobic atmosphere - she is.
I bet if any of us were in that house we would react differently to what we would expect if put under pressure.
As the saying goes, don't judge someone until you walk in their shoes...

Or don't judge someone until they appear on a reality TV show in front of the nation

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

I see Jale getting angrier by the minute...

How could she not, the way Helen behaved towards her last night was disgusting. It's very uncomfortable viewing and I'm torn between thinking she should say something or just letting Helen carry on and hang herself with her own rope

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

But what is she to do?
Stoop to Helen's level and retaliate with childish insults?
Have an argument?

Will it not make things worse and therefore give those who feel she's bringing it on herself more ammunition? If she argues with her it'll be all "Well Jale screamed at Helen, what does she expect?"

She could calmly take her aside and tell her to lay off, just like Kimberly did with Marlon, though I doubt it would end in a hug L she doesn't need to have an argument about it, I really don't feel Jale is reacting like she would in a "normal" everyday situation if this sort of stuff was happening. Kudos to her for playing the perfect underdog game.

[Lola844]

If she doesn't say something Helen might stop, it would be like beating a dead horse. Now if she does stand up to her, I don't think anyone will interfere.
I think Jale is a little scared that the insults might become more hurtful. Like her targeting her weight or something like that. She might not be able to come back at her with something which would hurt her equally as much.

Jale knows what she's doing, it's called being passive aggressive. It will work to her advantage. Now if it had been me, I would have been kicked out for kicking her in the face.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

She could calmly take her aside and tell her to lay off, just like Kimberly did with Marlon, though I doubt it would end in a hug L she doesn't need to have an argument about it, I really don't feel Jale is reacting like she would in a "normal" everyday situation if this sort of stuff was happening. Kudos to her for playing the perfect underdog game.

But it's not a normal everyday situation though so you're bound to react in a different way. Helen is a stranger who is being horrible to Jale for no apparent reason. In normal everyday life you get to walk away and go home, here you're trapped in the same house with that person for weeks

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Lola844

If she doesn't say something Helen might stop, it would be like beating a dead horse. Now if she does stand up to her, I don't think anyone will interfere.
I think Jale is a little scared that the insults might become more hurtful. Like her targeting her weight or something like that. She might not be able to come back at her with something which would hurt her equally as much.

Jale knows what she's doing, it's called being passive aggressive. It will work to her advantage. Now if it had been me, I would have been kicked out for kicking her in the face.

And also, she did try that with Pauline, she tried to sit down with her and talk it out calmly and look how well that worked out for her

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Lola844

If she doesn't say something Helen might stop, it would be like beating a dead horse. Now if she does stand up to her, I don't think anyone will interfere.
I think Jale is a little scared that the insults might become more hurtful. Like her targeting her weight or something like that. She might not be able to come back at her with something which would hurt her equally as much.

Jale knows what she's doing, it's called being passive aggressive. It will work to her advantage. Now if it had been me, I would have been kicked out for kicking her in the face.

If she did take Helen aside and told her, and Helen continued her nasty campaign it would give Jale even more of an advantage, Jale's problem is if Helen took her comments on board and actually did lay off she loses her underdog status and associated public support.

[InOne]

Her and Helen have already had a talk. Helen apologised and then changed her mind and it just carried on.

[Alf]

Your Silence is deafening

What a tune

Youtube video

[Lola844]

Originally Posted by Cherie

If she did take Helen aside and told her, and Helen continued her nasty campaign it would give Jale even more of an advantage, Jale's problem is if Helen took her comments on board and actually did lay off she loses her underdog status and associated public support.

I think she might be scared of Helen. So far most people have laughed at her comments, so she might be scared her looks are brought into the mix. I do think she is using it to her advantage. But frankly I don't think she's as tough as she says she is. It's all talk.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

If she did take Helen aside and told her, and Helen continued her nasty campaign it would give Jale even more of an advantage, Jale's problem is if Helen took her comments on board and actually did lay off she loses her underdog status and associated public support.

Do you really think Jale is thinking like that right now? I don't know, it must be deeply uncomfortable in there for her, surely she'd rather be having an enjoyable time in the house?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Lola844

I think she might be scared of Helen. So far most people have laughed at her comments, so she might be scared her looks are brought into the mix. I do think she is using it to her advantage. But frankly I don't think she's as tough as she says she is. It's all talk.

Well her looks have already been brought into it, do you think if she was Kims size, her nickname would still be Slugsworth? Ash laughing his head off last night at Helens disgusting rant about Jale was almost as bad as well

[Lola844]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Well her looks have already been brought into it, do you think if she was Kims size, her nickname would still be Slugsworth? Ash laughing his head off last night at Helens disgusting rant about Jale was almost as bad as well

Those are bad insults, but I bet Helen could get nastier. So I would understand if she didn't want to have a screaming match with someone calling her fat b**** like she called Danielle. Jale might not recover from it. Trust me.

[smeagol]

you dont talk rationally to people like helen. the only way to deal with her is to bring her down from the level she things she is at. and you start that by saying who the hell do you think you are then lay down the home truths to her. she will then either do 2 things get ejected or retreat either way you win.

in all bb's since the beginning i have never ever seen someone not stand up for themselves. even the most timid of people have had a go back the types who its not even in their nature to confront, yet jale says nothing ,cept to the cameras. says it all really

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Lola844

I think she might be scared of Helen. So far most people have laughed at her comments, so she might be scared her looks are brought into the mix. I do think she is using it to her advantage. But frankly I don't think she's as tough as she says she is. It's all talk.

I do, she is not isolated in the house, the only one's being truly horrible to her are Pauline, Helen and Toya. The whole house is not against her, I really can't fathom her popularity on here as she has actually not done anything in the house apart from being the focus of Helen's nastiness so I guess that is why she is popular

I liked her for the way she handled herself during the killer nom process but since can't really see that she or indeed any of them have done anything to warrant winning.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Lola844

Those are bad insults, but I bet Helen could get nastier. So I would understand if she didn't want to have a screaming match with someone calling her fat b**** like she called Danielle. Jale might not recover from it. Trust me.

I wouldn't want to draw her on me either, it's one thing to be strong willed and able to stand up for yourself in a normal environment but Jale is in such a difficult place atm being trapped in there not only with Helen but with her group of followers who are almost as bad and the ones who feel sorry for Jale are too afraid of the repercussions for themselves if they say anything to Helen and co, just look at what happened to Christopher when he tried to tell Pauline that he thought she was treating Jale badly

[Lola844]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I wouldn't want to draw her on me either, it's one thing to be strong willed and able to stand up for yourself in a normal environment but Jale is in such a difficult place atm being trapped in there not only with Helen but with her group of followers who are almost as bad and the ones who feel sorry for Jale are too afraid of the repercussions for themselves if they say anything to Helen and co, just look at what happened to Christopher when he tried to tell Pauline that he thought she was treating Jale badly

Now Mark had no problem screaming at Pauline though. No one interfered and everyone went to check on him, to see if he was ok. I don't think if Helen and Jale start fighting anyone will get involved. It's always been one on one, people just haven't done anything about it.

[kefln]

I voted "no".

While I think I'd like to see her say something, I don't know if I want her too.

Jale has no backup. There really isn't anyone there that has her back. Danielle would run a mile rather than reignite her row with Helen. Ashleigh is neutral, as is Kim. Can't see Chris stepping in and most of the rest are part of the "in" crowd.

However Helen has her groupies, which include Pauline and Toya ready and waiting for a row to kick off.

Jale also has the pressure of the weekly nomination. She has no stability. She has no time to relax.

If Pauline was to go this week, and if something unexpected happened to shake up the current status quo, something that knocked Helens position of power, just slightly. Then Jale would have a chance.

An argument now would leave Jale with no refuge. It would become out right war. With Helen, Pauline, Toya and the “in” crowd on one side and Jale on the other.

After a little shake up of the house, Jale might find a few supporters.

Someone like Mark, might play a part. If Pauline goes, he mightn’t be willing to follow another loud mouth. If he were to switching to Jale’s side, he might pull a few others with him. Which in turn would give Jale the cover she needs to gain confidence.

[Niamh.]

Good post Kefln, spot on i think. Mark is the only one with enough "status" in there to help Jale out, he may do as well, he seems to be swaying a little bit

[Lola844]

Originally Posted by kefln

I voted "no".

While I think I'd like to see her say something, I don't know if I want her too.

Jale has no backup. There really isn't anyone there that has her back. Danielle would run a mile rather than reignite her row with Helen. Ashleigh is neutral, as is Kim. Can't see Chris stepping in and most of the rest are part of the "in" crowd.

However Helen has her groupies, which include Pauline and Toya ready and waiting for a row to kick off.

Jale also has the pressure of the weekly nomination. She has no stability. She has no time to relax.

If Pauline was to go this week, and if something unexpected happened to shake up the current status quo, something that knocked Helens position of power, just slightly. Then Jale would have a chance.

An argument now would leave Jale with no refuge. It would become out right war. With Helen, Pauline, Toya and the “in” crowd on one side and Jale on the other.

After a little shake up of the house, Jale might find a few supporters.

Someone like Mark, might play a part. If Pauline goes, he mightn’t be willing to follow another loud mouth. If he were to switching to Jale’s side, he might pull a few others with him. Which in turn would give Jale the cover she needs to gain confidence.

I don't think Pauline and Toya would join in the fight. They would gossip with Helen afterwards, but wouldn't jump into the fight. I think she should wait after Pauline leaves, just because you might see a lot of people warm up to her. IF she's not using the underdog situation to win. After all remember the woman has been kicked out of every place she's lived in. So there is more to Jale.

Let's see how this week plays out.

[LukeB]

i voted yes because she either playing victim by letting them do it or she is a weak girl. her VT comes across as she can stand up for herself. don't we get told to stand up to bullies and they go away? maybe jale should take that advice

[Livia]

It would probably end up in a slanging match and Jale probably does want to come across as a common, foul-mouthed fish-wife like Helen.

[rubymoo]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

No, not yet Helens back up bitches are too many in number, she needs to bide her time until they start to go

Agree

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by smeagol

you dont talk rationally to people like helen. the only way to deal with her is to bring her down from the level she things she is at. and you start that by saying who the hell do you think you are then lay down the home truths to her. she will then either do 2 things get ejected or retreat either way you win.

in all bb's since the beginning i have never ever seen someone not stand up for themselves. even the most timid of people have had a go back the types who its not even in their nature to confront, yet jale says nothing ,cept to the cameras. says it all really

Or Jale could not stoop to their level and just keep on as she is,which is by far the more adult way.

[Kizzy]

I think the dynamic will change loads after friday when pauline goes (please god), the whole house will breath a collective sigh of relief.