[jet]

Originally Posted by MarcusMel

That is not a correct logical conclusion.

As I said, you will believe what you want to be true or what you fear to be true, seeing truth is very hard.

Well you enjoy your truth seeking and let this non - empathetic forum enjoy the entertainment.

[MarcusMel]

Originally Posted by jet

Well you enjoy your truth seeking and let this non - empathetic forum enjoy the entertainment.

Of course! Just as I am sure you will let me have the freedom to say what I think.

What makes you think you that the forum is not made up of both types?

Logic and emotion they can exist in one brain.

[smeagol]

Originally Posted by MarcusMel

One of the biggest problems about this forum and what people write is that they only see and hear what conforms to their knowledge and belief system. Reframing a viewpoint requires the ability to see the outside view looking in. Not an easy thing to do for people who are systematic or non-empathetic.

I like the phrase: People believe what they fear to be true or what they want to be true.

Why is Helen's former job despised? Could it be the fear that it is true for all young women one way or another, rather than seeing 'the job' as a way of confirming two people of unity of relationship, purpose and emotional satisfaction?

There was in 28th June BBOTPsych a very interesting clip of Helen at first saying the type of person she imagined herself to be followed by examples of her not being that person. From the outside empathetic people understand that she behaves opposite to how she would like to be because she feels as if the world is spitting on her and is fighting to feel internal contentment with herself.

Her constant feeling of inadequacy is her weakness unless something in BB turns this around then the public are probably always going to dislike (hate!) her. One of the biggest disadvantages she has at the moment are the available role models.

IF she gets to know actor Chris and starts the deep conversation talk then there is some hope that she will learn some useful coping patterns.

Life is a lot more black and white than people think. she is who she is there is no reason justification or underline factor. scorpions sting. fire burns killers kill. haters hate, no empathy or pscho bable lol will change the facts.

people are who they are. there is no saving them.

[MarcusMel]

Originally Posted by smeagol

Life is a lot more black and white than people think. she is who she is there is no reason justification or underline factor. scorpions sting. fire burns killers kill. haters hate, no empathy or pscho bable lol will change the facts.

people are who they are. there is no saving them.

Ever heard of neuroplasticity or rational emotive behavioral therapy or the strange sedona method.?

[smeagol]

Originally Posted by MarcusMel

Ever heard of neuroplasticity or rational emotive behavioral therapy or the strange sedona method.?

haha yes but thats making excuses again for people. people are who they are.
you can study people till the end of time. we are what we do and we are what we say.
everything else is meaningless

The problem with people is they want to look at different sides and all around but they miss whats right in the front of them.

[MarcusMel]

Originally Posted by smeagol

haha yes but thats making excuses again for people. people are who they are.
you can study people till the end of time. we are what we do and we are what we say.
everything else is meaningless

The problem with people is they want to look at different sides and all around but they miss whats right in the front of them.

Indeed meaningless, so why bother posting at all!

[MarcusMel]

Originally Posted by smeagol

haha yes but thats making excuses again for people. people are who they are.
you can study people till the end of time. we are what we do and we are what we say.
everything else is meaningless

The problem with people is they want to look at different sides and all around but they miss whats right in the front of them.

A better reply to the above belief system? If this is how you see things reframing your view could be very difficult and as mother used to say and person convienced against their will remains uncovienced still. One reason Socrates was so sucessful because he asked people questions that forced them to reason out why they had their viewpoint.

I am no Socrates!!

[jet]

Originally Posted by MarcusMel

Ever heard of neuroplasticity or rational emotive behavioral therapy or the strange sedona method.?

I've not only heard of them, I've studied them.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by MarcusMel

One of the biggest problems about this forum and what people write is that they only see and hear what conforms to their knowledge and belief system. Reframing a viewpoint requires the ability to see the outside view looking in. Not an easy thing to do for people who are systematic or non-empathetic.

I like the phrase: People believe what they fear to be true or what they want to be true.

Why is Helen's former job despised? Could it be the fear that it is true for all young women one way or another, rather than seeing 'the job' as a way of confirming two people of unity of relationship, purpose and emotional satisfaction?

There was in 28th June BBOTPsych a very interesting clip of Helen at first saying the type of person she imagined herself to be followed by examples of her not being that person. From the outside empathetic people understand that she behaves opposite to how she would like to be because she feels as if the world is spitting on her and is fighting to feel internal contentment with herself.

Her constant feeling of inadequacy is her weakness unless something in BB turns this around then the public are probably always going to dislike (hate!) her. One of the biggest disadvantages she has at the moment are the available role models.

IF she gets to know actor Chris and starts the deep conversation talk then there is some hope that she will learn some useful coping patterns.

..I do agree that that Helen probably behaves the way she does as more of a defensive and a feeling that she has to 'fight everyone' because of the life she must have had but I also think that she's pretty intelligent as well and in agreeing to go into BB, she would have to try to change public opinion and kind of make an effort to be 'understood'..but she's done the exact opposite really with her attitude and behaviour in a two fingers to the public type way so why then would they take time out to have any understanding of her...I think she knows that as well and maybe wants the negative attention because she knows it'll get airtime and then possibly earn her more money after she leaves the house...

[uniquedude]

Ive thought the same thing, and that Jale will be 'hated'. My friend was the biggets Jale fan ever and now she hates her.

[erinp5]

Seems we are seeing a watered down version of Helen .


Helen Wood’s getting an unfair edit in the Big Brother 2014 house, thanks to her gob.



Her vile outbursts and sewer mouth mean that Big Brother bosses have been forced to edit out a lot of her comments.

We told previously how Helen branded viewers “******s”, a remark that didn’t make it to air.

And it’s one of many, according to the Daily Star newspaper, who claim that producers have decided much of what she says is too rude even for a post watershed show.

“Fans are well aware of how filthy Helen’s language can be but they are only seeing the stuff we think is OK,” a source told the newspaper today. “A lot of the things she has been saying and doing are too disgusting to be shown.

“She isn’t afraid to say what she thinks and has a very explicit take on sex.”

The housemates have expressed concern about Helen, with Jale Karaturp claiming she’s “lost it”.



And evicted housemate Toya A Washington claimed that Helen “takes pleasure out of hurting people.”

She said after her exit at the weekend: “I felt she was being very aggressive.

“I can’t say she would’ve been violent, but she is capable of it.”

Meanwhile, Danielle McMahon has said in the house and she could see Helen ending up to “throwing a punch”.

“She’s one of the most vile woman I’ve ever come across in my life,” the model told Ashleigh. “And if she wants to throw a punch of whatever, good, because it will get her out of this house.”


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[Kizzy]

What a load of contrived rubbish.

[Sophiee]

I don't believe she can do anything to turn it around, but I can definitely see some of the others overshadowing her hate and people not caring about her so much, especially since she's got the finale pass anyway there's nothing anyone can do to get her out.

[flamingGalah!]

No chance of her being liked & people dislike her for her behaviour in the house, not because she was a prozzie. If she was nice in the house people would get over her past but she isn't, she is vile...