[billy123]

A lot of people are really getting behind Helen now on twitter its getting pretty crazy.
Littlemix posted a helen to win tweet that has now been favourited and retweeted over 5000 times.
The tide is changing. I dont think it will be enough but its interesting to see.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bobnot

A lot of people are really getting behind Helen now on twitter its getting pretty crazy.
Littlemix posted a helen to win tweet that has now been favourited and retweeted over 5000 times.
The tide is changing. I dont think it will be enough but its interesting to see.

I hate twitter but that is rather good to hear bobnot,anything can happen now it is only the supporters of each housemate actually voting for them.

It is easy to orchestrate a get someone out vote when there are a good number of housemates up voting to evict but to stop someone winning,that is much harder to achieve.

[sungrass]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I hate twitter but that is rather good to hear bobnot,anything can happen now it is only the supporters of each housemate actually voting for them.

It is easy to orchestrate a get someone out vote when there are a good number of housemates up voting to evict but to stop someone winning,that is much harder to achieve.

I do think at the moment I am going to support Helen. Which is just crazy. I went of Chris when he said he would take the money. A pact is a pact in my eyes. Christopher is a phony.

There is opportunity for a character like Helen to grow and heal and develop into a better one. Even Chris spotted it.
She has made the show.

Ashleigh did not 'effect' the matter. She was too weak to ever really do anything but sit around in corners with Danielle. She did not entertain at all. She did not fight back. She did absolutely nothing!

[Lstan]

Originally Posted by toronto_matt

someone really has to help me with this, i started off LOVING chris and christopher from the start and throughout most of the series

ashleigh, i was always so so on, especially during her month long hiding in corners with danielle moaning and snickering stage but i never actually "disliked" her

and helen, my god, i despised her, i could not stand her! i honestly thought there was no way i could dislike a housemate ever again as much as i did her BUT

something happened, dont ask me what, there just came a point where i realized chris, christopher and ashligh started to really get to me and i found myself while not "liking" helen per say, but i started to understand her more and slowly but surely, the tables completely flipped and i found myself pro helen!

its madness i know..

i know there are alot of hardcore helen fans out there that have loved her from the start, but is there anyone else that started off absolutely despising the woman to now wanting her to win? i mean, i cant be the only one.. can i?

Just wanted to say although those 3 are my favourite i understand if people dont feel the same way because everyone has their own opinion and i know many people have strong opinions on here but i see the plus and negative points of each housemate because everyone has good/bad points to them.

[Allegra]

Originally Posted by toronto_matt

someone really has to help me with this, i started off LOVING chris and christopher from the start and throughout most of the series

ashleigh, i was always so so on, especially during her month long hiding in corners with danielle moaning and snickering stage but i never actually "disliked" her

and helen, my god, i despised her, i could not stand her! i honestly thought there was no way i could dislike a housemate ever again as much as i did her BUT

something happened, dont ask me what, there just came a point where i realized chris, christopher and ashligh started to really get to me and i found myself while not "liking" helen per say, but i started to understand her more and slowly but surely, the tables completely flipped and i found myself pro helen!

its madness i know..

i know there are alot of hardcore helen fans out there that have loved her from the start, but is there anyone else that started off absolutely despising the woman to now wanting her to win? i mean, i cant be the only one.. can i?

There has been much hype about Helen and her 'journey'. Even the so-called analysts on BBBOTS are not allowed to speak freely e.g. pointing to obvious personality disorders, when evidently present. Helen is a classic NPD (so is Pauline, Toya, Steven and Mark, to a lesser extent) any change in her behaviour is a mere environmental adjustment for the sole purpose of obtaining/regaining favour from her surroundings. She is, and always has been (since a very young age), void of any true sense of self. A person such as this is incapable of change. For Helen the diary room serves only as a self-validation tool. Anything that people hear her saying is mere game play. Throughout the show we have seen her continuously colliding with her fellow housemates - this enables her to trigger a response, enabling her to 'feel'. These confrontations provide her with endless opportunities to vent her anger and aggression. Praise=validation, Criticism= attack.

For professionals, Helen's behavioural patterns suggest a pathology which is deeply disturbing. Therapy will often not work, leaving people like this to roam the world, inflicting damage wherever they go. Deeply wounded from early childhood, they remain the most toxic people anyone will ever meet!

I hope that this 'warming' sensation is a mere projection - in which case, it is perfectly understandable. A real character assessment of Helen, however, will never arrive anywhere warm.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Allegra

There has been much hype about Helen and her 'journey'. Even the so-called analysts on BBBOTS are not allowed to speak freely e.g. pointing to obvious personality disorders, when evidently present. Helen is a classic NPD (so is Pauline, Toya, Steven and Mark, to a lesser extent) any change in her behaviour is a mere environmental adjustment for the sole purpose of obtaining/regaining favour from her surroundings. She is, and always has been (since a very young age), void of any true sense of self. A person such as this is incapable of change. For Helen the diary room serves only as a self-validation tool. Anything that people hear her saying is mere game play. Throughout the show we have seen her continuously colliding with her fellow housemates - this enables her to trigger a response, enabling her to 'feel'. These confrontations provide her with endless opportunities to vent her anger and aggression. Praise=validation, Criticism= attack.

For professionals, Helen's behavioural patterns suggest a pathology which is deeply disturbing. Therapy will often not work, leaving people like this to roam the world, inflicting damage wherever they go. Deeply wounded from early childhood, they remain the most toxic people anyone will ever meet!

I hope that this 'warming' sensation is a mere projection - in which case, it is perfectly understandable. A real character assessment of Helen, however, will never arrive anywhere warm.

Post of the thread IMO.

There's only one word to describe Helen, and that is "broken". I honestly believe that people are just desperate to believe that she has changed, or can change, or that they've seen a different side to her... That this can be a redemption storyline.

In truth, like all of the world's Helens, she does have moments where she "sees herself" and doesn't like it, and fleetingly makes a conscious effort to be different, and people mistakenly believe that to be change. Unfortunately that sort of broken personality is completely driven by the subconscious and she will ALWAYS snap back to her original state as soon as her concentration breaks. She's a human memory foam mattress. She won't, and can't, ever change.

I also fear that it's inevitable that anything more we hear of Helen Wood beyond big brother will be all negative.

[Miranda123]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Post of the thread IMO.

There's only one word to describe Helen, and that is "broken". I honestly believe that people are just desperate to believe that she has changed, or can change, or that they've seen a different side to her... That this can be a redemption storyline.

In truth, like all of the world's Helens, she does have moments where she "sees herself" and doesn't like it, and fleetingly makes a conscious effort to be different, and people mistakenly believe that to be change. Unfortunately that sort of broken personality is completely driven by the subconscious and she will ALWAYS snap back to her original state as soon as her concentration breaks. She's a human memory foam mattress. She won't, and can't, ever change.

I also fear that it's inevitable that anything more we hear of Helen Wood beyond big brother will be all negative.

Too long to read.......HELEN TO WIN!!

[sungrass]

Originally Posted by Allegra

There has been much hype about Helen and her 'journey'. Even the so-called analysts on BBBOTS are not allowed to speak freely e.g. pointing to obvious personality disorders, when evidently present. Helen is a classic NPD (so is Pauline, Toya, Steven and Mark, to a lesser extent) any change in her behaviour is a mere environmental adjustment for the sole purpose of obtaining/regaining favour from her surroundings. She is, and always has been (since a very young age), void of any true sense of self. A person such as this is incapable of change. For Helen the diary room serves only as a self-validation tool. Anything that people hear her saying is mere game play. Throughout the show we have seen her continuously colliding with her fellow housemates - this enables her to trigger a response, enabling her to 'feel'. These confrontations provide her with endless opportunities to vent her anger and aggression. Praise=validation, Criticism= attack.

For professionals, Helen's behavioural patterns suggest a pathology which is deeply disturbing. Therapy will often not work, leaving people like this to roam the world, inflicting damage wherever they go. Deeply wounded from early childhood, they remain the most toxic people anyone will ever meet!

I hope that this 'warming' sensation is a mere projection - in which case, it is perfectly understandable. A real character assessment of Helen, however, will never arrive anywhere warm.

Its become very common at the moment to diagnose personality disorders at ease. In truth NPD is really very rare. In the way you have mentioned it - yes Helen has some traits of NPD but everyone person does though! She has traits not the condition.

Helen is not devoid of empathy nor does she use people for her own gain in a manipulative fashion. If she does not like someone - they know it. Even to her own detriment. Not NPD. NPD's are often characterised as "a wolf in sheeps clothing" Their self image is their preoccupation they NEED to be admired, seen as perfect. Helen has not done this. She knows and accepts she is not liked.

She genuinely would have the split the money. Her word is important to her. That is her value. A true NPD only has self advancement as a value - this means PRETENDING to be caring to get the top.

She talks HONESTLY. This means she is not Machiavellian, which is a significant trait in true NPD.

She has traits of NPD but anyone who enters a house to be watched 24/7 by cameras and the country does.

I the whole personality disorder spectrum has been taken way out of hand, people are over diagnosing it. And by the way the psychotherapists have mentioned narcissism in the past. I personally think due to his delusions of grandeur it is Steven that was the most NPD of the lot.

[Miranda123]

Originally Posted by toronto_matt

someone really has to help me with this, i started off LOVING chris and christopher from the start and throughout most of the series

ashleigh, i was always so so on, especially during her month long hiding in corners with danielle moaning and snickering stage but i never actually "disliked" her

and helen, my god, i despised her, i could not stand her! i honestly thought there was no way i could dislike a housemate ever again as much as i did her BUT

something happened, dont ask me what, there just came a point where i realized chris, christopher and ashligh started to really get to me and i found myself while not "liking" helen per say, but i started to understand her more and slowly but surely, the tables completely flipped and i found myself pro helen!

its madness i know..

i know there are alot of hardcore helen fans out there that have loved her from the start, but is there anyone else that started off absolutely despising the woman to now wanting her to win? i mean, i cant be the only one.. can i?

I was exactly the same!

hated Helen in the first few weeks, loved Chris, felt sorry for Christopher cause he was being incessantly bullied by Pauline & Toya, I didnt at that point, notice the little blond thing hiding under Paulines apron so I had no feelings either way about Ashleigh
As time went on, and Toyas face was being shown on screen more than any of us had the stomach to put up with, I started loving Helen & the cool gang cause they were the only people having any fun, the rest were too caught up in the hate thing
I noticed the little blonde thing for the first time cause it opened its mouth and spoke to Toya about wanting to smash Danielles face in for daring to talk to Kim, that was when I first noticed her
the rest is just a blur of her slagging off Helen & Ash, and even Winston (til he stood up for her) and brushing her hair..................er.....thats it

Helen To WIN!!!