[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by lostalex

it's none of your business when the most opportune time to have a child is kizzy. no one debates if it's okay for an older man to father a child. Why are there so many articles about women having children too young, women having children too old, women who stay home, women that work, women women women,

but how many articles do you see about men having children??? none. as if men have nothing to do with the matter.

just another way to blame women for the problems of the world. the majority in power always loves to blame the minority with no power for all of the problems.

Seeing as the tread is discussing this then I'll have a say alex thanks.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Seeing as the tread is discussing this then I'll have a say alex thanks.

what i meant was, how are you making it better for women? and challenging the status quo/

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by lostalex

what i meant was, how are you making it better for women? and challenging the status quo/

Me personally?.. The thread is discussing the companies here, I'm stating and basing my opinion on that.

[Niamh.]

and can I add if I ever take a day off because my kids are sick(which i can't even remember the last time I've had to do that), it comes off my annual leave, I get the same annual leave as everyone else kids or no kids

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

and can I add if I ever take a day off because my kids are sick(which i can't even remember the last time I've had to do that), it comes off my annual leave, I get the same annual leave as everyone else kids or no kids

I think that is the case in most private companies Niamh

[Kizzy]

I don't feel it is, we would be setting women back decades if we suggested that they choose between motherhood and a career in any field.

[lily.]

A lot of people would agree with you Kizzy.

My opinion is based mainly on my own life experiences as a mother. I don't think I could have been the kind of parent I wanted to be had I juggled it with a high-flying career.

I am all about the choice though. I love that women have the choice, because what is right for one woman isn't necessarily right for another. That's the important thing.

And, although I think the story in the OP is quite weird, as long as these women don't feel coerced into participating in this scheme, it's all good.

[Niamh.]

Cherie is so good at verbalising my thoughts

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Cherie is so good at verbalising my thoughts

[Ninastar]

i must be the only one who sees this as a nice thing... One of the hardest decisions is to choose between having kids or keep working. It's nice to show that you're that wanted, they'd pay that much to keep you for a while longer

i dont think they want you to not have children AT ALL or in the late 40s etc, just a decent age before leaving the company or whatever

i wish more people waited till their 30s to have kids. there's a big difference of behaviour (in children) with people who wait to have their kids. That's what I've noticed anyway.

[lily.]

Yeah, that was my take on it.... that certain jobs just don't fit well with raising a family.

[lostalex]

I'd rather see more women having kids at 45 and less at 15, i'll say that much.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

I'd rather see more women having kids at 45 and less at 15, i'll say that much.

Yeah, let's have loads more kids with disabilities and other health related problems from being born of older women.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Yeah, let's have loads more kids with disabilities and other health related problems from being born of older women.

That's a relevant point, there are greater risks associated with older mothers 35+

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

That's a relevant point, there are greater risks associated with older mothers 35+

Any woman deciding to have kids later will be well aware of the medical implications and would take that into consideration. It's their choice, and no one else's. Lots of women are having children later naturally. Again, their choice.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

Any woman deciding to have kids later will be well aware of the medical implications and would take that into consideration. It's their choice, and no one else's. Lots of women are having children later naturally. Again, their choice.

Nobody said it wasn't their choice, however people are still allowed their opinion on it. It was based on Alex's comment anyway.

[AnnieK]

I think my contract states something along the lines of xx hours per week with a codicil stating that additional duties and hours may be required as the business dictates....

I used to do a lot at the office after hours but thankfully now thanks to the internet revolution I am able to put a lot of hours in at home....I don't get paid overtime if I work at home or in the office though....

[Kizzy]

If the job can't be finished in the hours you are contracted to work and you're working unpaid and/or from home then that falls neatly into the willing donkey scenario.
It matters not if you have a family or not if you are working for a company making them money is it not fair to expect money or time owed?
So far from being a simplistic comment it's opened up the fact that many people are working many hours above and beyond for nada.... That's not the fault of working mothers and those who are being put upon in the workplace should look to themselves for accepting this situation.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

If the job can't be finished in the hours you are contracted to work and you're working unpaid and/or from home then that falls neatly into the willing donkey scenario.
It matters not if you have a family or not if you are working for a company making them money is it not fair to expect money or time owed?
So far from being a simplistic comment it's opened up the fact that many people are working many hours above and beyond for nada.... That's not the fault of working mothers and those who are being put upon in the workplace should look to themselves for accepting this situation.

What utter rubbish. It's not all about nine to five for a lot of people. I don't work for a company, you have no idea what I do or anything about my contract and I'm one of many that doesn't fit into a neat little 36-hours-a-week pigeon hole so I'm afraid the donkey scenario is not just wrong, it's a little insulting. As you know. And in any case, if someone wants to work hard to build a career, staying late and working hard to get a job done is something that goes with the territory. If people want to go home at 5pm when there's a flap on, they should probably look elsewhere for a job.

I'm surprised people think they have the right to be outraged that some women would make a decision to take advantage of the offer described in the OP when really, it's not anything to do with anyone but the woman making the decision and no one's hand is being forced.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

What utter rubbish. It's not all about nine to five for a lot of people. I don't work for a company, you have no idea what I do or anything about my contract and I'm one of many that doesn't fit into a neat little 36-hours-a-week pigeon hole so I'm afraid the donkey scenario is not just wrong, it's a little insulting. As you know. And in any case, if someone wants to work hard to build a career, staying late and working hard to get a job done is something that goes with the territory. If people want to go home at 5pm when there's a flap on, they should probably look elsewhere for a job.

I'm surprised people think they have the right to be outraged that some women would make a decision to take advantage of the offer described in the OP when really, it's not anything to do with anyone but the woman making the decision and no one's hand is being forced.

I'm not talking about your situation personally am I? Just commenting on the thread topic.
Nobody is outraged, it's just being discussed is all.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I'm not talking about your situation personally am I? Just commenting on the thread topic.
Nobody is outraged, it's just being discussed is all.

That's why I said "and I'm one of many".

[smudgie]

All comes down to personal choice.
Just as long as the women look into it and understand the statistics, not every egg will work, they may end up childless.

As to working and having children, you have to find the happy medium, what works for you as a family.
In reality..you can't have it all, so maybe Just enough to keep you happy.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by smudgie

All comes down to personal choice.
Just as long as the women look into it and understand the statistics, not every egg will work, they may end up childless.

As to working and having children, you have to find the happy medium, what works for you as a family.
In reality..you can't have it all, so maybe Just enough to keep you happy.

Agree with all that Smudgie. Especially the last two sentences.

[Vicky.]

Hmm. On the one hand I think its good for women to be given the opportunity

On the other hand I suspect this would be abused...those who have effectively signed away their right to have kids getting promoted above others etc...

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Hmm. On the one hand I think its good for women to be given the opportunity

On the other hand I suspect this would be abused...those who have effectively signed away their right to have kids getting promoted above others etc...

Yes, I expect that would happen, not sure I'd call it "abuse". If someone's made the decision to delay motherhood, the option having been offered to her by her company, and then someone who has not made that commitment is promoted, I'm sure the person being overlooked might have cause to feel pretty pissed off.

Vicky, hi... haven't spoken to you for ages.