[T*]

honestly- If you do something so stupidly reckless like this and expect everything to be peachy then you have another thing coming. Don't do stupid things and you wont be regarded as dying stupidly.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Scrooge

The UK is not some refuge for folks who have sh1t countries.

Thats one way of looking at it on the other hand you could say isnt it great that so many people think they can have a better life in this country.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Thats one way of looking at it on the other hand you could say isnt it great that so many people think they can have a better life in this country.

No, being an easy touch has no virtue

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Scrooge

No, being an easy touch has no virtue

Its just a different way at looking at the same thing.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Its just a different way at looking at the same thing.

The latter has an impact on our economy and makes people cross. I am sure that if you walked down a few kentish coastal town high streets and gauged their sympathy levels it would be very low.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Scrooge

The latter has an impact on our economy and makes people cross. I am sure that if you walked down a few kentish coastal town high streets and gauged their sympathy levels it would be very low.

I'm sure you're right about the sympathy level in Kentish coastal towns but I was simply highlighting how people see the same things differently.

[Ammi]

..how lucky we are that we have hospitals..that we have schools, roads, homes, safe drainage etc..an opportunity to earn a wage...how lucky we are that most of us don't have to make any self-preserving decisions that could actually endanger our lives...but some countries don't have what we have and some people do have to make those decisions and do have to take risks that they should never have to, to risk their lives just to try to have a life that will give them something...how silly of them....

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..how lucky we are that we have hospitals..that we have schools, roads, homes, safe drainage etc..an opportunity to earn a wage...how lucky we are that most of us don't have to make any self-preserving decisions that could actually endanger our lives...but some countries don't have what we have and some people do have to make those decisions and do have to take risks that they should never have to, to risk their lives just to try to have a life that will give them something...how silly of them....

Yeah I think people lambasting him for being 'stupid' or 'reckless' are sort of missing the point. He wasn't doing this for fun or as a part of some game, I'm sure he knew full well the risks and that it was an incredibly dangerous thing to do, coming from a country like that you're going to have a greater appreciation than any of us about life's dangers and its difficulties. This was a risk he took which didn't pay off, he gambled with his life to get into this country because the alternative was considered so much worse.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..how lucky we are that we have hospitals..that we have schools, roads, homes, safe drainage etc..an opportunity to earn a wage...how lucky we are that most of us don't have to make any self-preserving decisions that could actually endanger our lives...but some countries don't have what we have and some people do have to make those decisions and do have to take risks that they should never have to, to risk their lives just to try to have a life that will give them something...how silly of them....

Well said

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by The Geordie Jesus

Yeah I think people lambasting him for being 'stupid' or 'reckless' are sort of missing the point. He wasn't doing this for fun or as a part of some game, I'm sure he knew full well the risks and that it was an incredibly dangerous thing to do, coming from a country like that you're going to have a greater appreciation than any of us about life's dangers and its difficulties. This was a risk he took which didn't pay off, he gambled with his life to get into this country because the alternative was considered so much worse.

I disagree, I think he just was too poorly educated to realise the dangers. He was not desperate he was just too stupid.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Scrooge

I disagree, I think he just was too poorly educated to realise the dangers. He was not desperate he was just too stupid.

You think that someone who has escaped a war torn country on an undoubtedly hazardous journey from Sudan to western Europe doesn't understand the danger of clinging to the bottom of a lorry?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by The Geordie Jesus

You think that someone who has escaped a war torn country on an undoubtedly hazardous journey from Sudan to western Europe doesn't understand the danger of clinging to the bottom of a lorry?

Yes

[Livia]

I'd be interested to know how many "safe" countries he passed through on his was to attempting illegal entry to the UK. I'm guessing it was a lot.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Livia

I'd be interested to know how many "safe" countries he passed through on his was to attempting illegal entry to the UK. I'm guessing it was a lot.

indeed

I guess we are "much more safer"

[smudgie]

Maybe we are seen as the soft touch.

Perhaps if we changed that then we could say goodbye to the roadkill.

[T*]

Originally Posted by Livia

I'd be interested to know how many "safe" countries he passed through on his was to attempting illegal entry to the UK. I'm guessing it was a lot.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Livia

I'd be interested to know how many "safe" countries he passed through on his was to attempting illegal entry to the UK. I'm guessing it was a lot.

Thats one way of looking at it but again you could say isnt it great he went thru so many countries to come to Britain.

[user104658]

Find it quite ridiculous that people seem to believe he'd want to be in Britain "for the benefits". To claim benefits he would have to legitimise his status in the country by officially seeking asylum to get "on the books" - it seems highly unlikely that someone who would risk themselves clinging to the bottom of a lorry is then going to risk declaring themselves as asylum seeking when they get here when it might well mean being sent straight back out of the country on the next flight.

No. He would not have been here to sit claiming benefits. More likely, he would be working for an unscrupulous employer for slave wages (usually Ł3 or so an hour).

With that in mind - the problem with the UK that is attracting ILLEGAL immigrants (to reiterate, illegal immigrants cannot claim benefits without revealing themselves!) is the fact that there are people employing them illegally for low wages. It's these employers (exploiters) who need to be cracked down on to stop Britain from being attractive to illegals. Not the benefits system.

[T*]

it's also really unfair on the drivers

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Thats one way of looking at it but again you could say isnt it great he went thru so many countries to come to Britain.

Indeed. However passing through many safe countries kinda negates the 'he was scared for his life so came here' argument

[thesheriff443]

some people.

as long as im alright jack attitude.
the west only go into third world countries to rape all its natural resources, screw the poor over and build a fcuk off mansion in another tax evading country.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Find it quite ridiculous that people seem to believe he'd want to be in Britain "for the benefits". To claim benefits he would have to legitimise his status in the country by officially seeking asylum to get "on the books" - it seems highly unlikely that someone who would risk themselves clinging to the bottom of a lorry is then going to risk declaring themselves as asylum seeking when they get here when it might well mean being sent straight back out of the country on the next flight.

No. He would not have been here to sit claiming benefits. More likely, he would be working for an unscrupulous employer for slave wages (usually Ł3 or so an hour).

With that in mind - the problem with the UK that is attracting ILLEGAL immigrants (to reiterate, illegal immigrants cannot claim benefits without revealing themselves!) is the fact that there are people employing them illegally for low wages. It's these employers (exploiters) who need to be cracked down on to stop Britain from being attractive to illegals. Not the benefits system.

[MTVN]

Well presumably its felt that they have less chance of being deported from the UK, that they have more chances of dodging the authorities and think there are better opportunities open to them in Britain. You can argue thats a flaw in our system and that we're being too soft but the UK is obviously considered a more attractive destination than France. And when you've come that far I suppose the thinking is you might as well go that little bit further. The European leg is probably the least treacherous of their journey.

No one here is saying he and others like him should be encouraged or that he made a smart decision. But that doesn't mean you can't have some sympathy with someone losing their life in such a desperate way instead of cheerleading for it. There's fairly uncomfortable undertones to comparing an illegal immigrant to vermin or road-kill imo.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by The Geordie Jesus

Well presumably its felt that they have less chance of being deported from the UK, that they have more chances of dodging the authorities and think there are better opportunities open to them in Britain. You can argue thats a flaw in our system and that we're being too soft but the UK is obviously considered a more attractive destination than France. And when you've come that far I suppose the thinking is you might as well go that little bit further. The European leg is probably the least treacherous of their journey.

No one here is saying he and others like him should be encouraged or that he made a smart decision. But that doesn't mean you can't have some sympathy with someone losing their life in such a desperate way instead of cheerleading for it. There's fairly uncomfortable undertones to comparing an illegal immigrant to vermin or road-kill imo.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by The Geordie Jesus

Well presumably its felt that they have less chance of being deported from the UK, that they have more chances of dodging the authorities and think there are better opportunities open to them in Britain. You can argue thats a flaw in our system and that we're being too soft but the UK is obviously considered a more attractive destination than France. And when you've come that far I suppose the thinking is you might as well go that little bit further. The European leg is probably the least treacherous of their journey.

No one here is saying he and others like him should be encouraged or that he made a smart decision. But that doesn't mean you can't have some sympathy with someone losing their life in such a desperate way instead of cheerleading for it. There's fairly uncomfortable undertones to comparing an illegal immigrant to vermin or road-kill imo.