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Niamh. · 12-01-2015, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Lostie!

That's true, but Perez was more than happy to be Ken's friend, and pass on what the others were saying about him, earlier that day. That makes me suspicious of whether he ever said anything homophobic. Even if he did, Perez didn't seem to have a problem with it until they were arguing.

Daran Little, a gay former writer for Coronation Street, rejected the suggestion that Ken is homophobic.

He probably made another dodgy comment (similar to his "negro" comment to Alexander) not necessarily meant as an insult. Regardless, the way Perez just brought it up in the middle of an argument doesn't sit right with me.

In regards to the negro comment, it wasn't even just his use of the word that made it so bad but the context he used it in was awful as well. He said fat negro and he was speaking as if he was in the deep south talking to one of the "help" it was completely insulting even if you forgave the use of the word negro on it's own

sampvt · 12-01-2015, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh.

he knows how to make someone say something homophobic? Only a homophobic person would say something homophobic though

Niamh I never mentioned homophobic, I simply said pc incorrect. why do people keep harping on about homophobic comments. he could have said anything.

Niamh. · 12-01-2015, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Ammi

..I'm pretty sure that we did see him say that, I do recall it just not exactly when it was because other housemates did look shocked when he said it..it was in the kitchen I think...

ah ok, I only remember them talking to him about it after but still, he's said that many insulting things I would say there's probably even more they haven't put in (I reckon they're probably spoilt for choice with all the juiciness to fill the hours HLs

wendywillow · 12-01-2015, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh.

tbf though we don't know that Ken didn't say something homophobic either, we weren't shown him say the thing about cami being half a ***** or her dress or whatever either but he did say it. He's said so much racist, sexist and xenophobic things since he's been in there it wouldn't be that hard to believe that he'd also said something homophobic

they aired the cami comment, and her reaction (the slut dress thing). I think its going to be a homophobic thing but ken is an equal opportunity offender so who knows.

Niamh. · 12-01-2015, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by sampvt

Niamh I never mentioned homophobic, I simply said pc incorrect. why do people keep harping on about homophobic comments. he could have said anything.

People keep "harping on" because that is the topic of the thread

Niamh. · 12-01-2015, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by wendywillow

they aired the cami comment, and her reaction (the slut dress thing). I think its going to be a homophobic thing but ken is an equal opportunity offender so who knows.

chuff me dizzy · 12-01-2015, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by sampvt

Chances are its got something to do with Perez. The little **** knows all the angles and knows how to create a PC scenario which would defo get him oiked.

Perez accused him of being homophobic the other night for no reason

Lostie! · 12-01-2015, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh.

In regards to the negro comment, it wasn't even just his use of the word that made it so bad but the context he used it in was awful as well. He said fat negro and he was speaking as if he was in the deep south talking to one of the "help" it was completely insulting even if you forgave the use of the word negro on it's own

I agree, I think he was out of line, I just mean that I don't think it was intended maliciously, but that doesn't take away the insulting nature of the words. You're right of course, but this just further explains my point about Perez. Alexander was able to deal with the situation calmly and rationally, instead of storing it up as ammo to use against Ken later.

As a mixed race gay guy, the fact that racism and homophobia still exist within some people horrifies me, but so does members of certain communities using it to help themselves in an argument. I just can't respect a gay guy who'll say nothing, even be the person's ally, and then use the "You're also homophobic" thing later just because he's in the middle of a blazing row with him.

Niamh. · 12-01-2015, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Perez accused him of being homophobic the other night for no reason

How do you know there was no reason though? We only get to see a fraction of what goes on in there. Granted I don't know for sure that he did say something but by the same logic you don't know that he didn't

unoino · 12-01-2015, 03:11 PM

How pathetic to throw someone out of the show when nobody was offended..indeed i found his remarks very entertaining...I wonder if ch5 will be refunding voters monies to keep ken in...It really is pathetic anyone with a personality or point of view is thrown out...the point of the programme is to win and people would have decided in due course if Kens remarks were offensive....I think hes a gentleman I admire his honesty he realky was a breathe of fresh air...and so ch5 have lost a family of viewers who enjoyed Kens daily tantrums he was such fun...Good luck Ken the world needs more genuine guys like you

Niamh. · 12-01-2015, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Lostie!

I agree, I think he was out of line, I just mean that I don't think it was intended maliciously, but that doesn't take away the insulting nature of the words. You're right of course, but this just further explains my point about Perez. Alexander was able to deal with the situation calmly and rationally, instead of storing it up as ammo to use against Ken later.

As a mixed race gay guy, the fact that racism and homophobia still exist within some people horrifies me, but so does members of certain communities using it to help themselves in an argument. I just can't respect a gay guy who'll say nothing, even be the person's ally, and then use the "You're also homophobic" thing later just because he's in the middle of a blazing row with him.

Oh I totally agree the way Alexander handled it was very admirable, him and Perez are poles a part though, Perez is a hysterical drama queen lol I do find him quite entertaining though

Niamh. · 12-01-2015, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by unoino

How pathetic to throw someone out of the show when nobody was offended..indeed i found his remarks very entertaining...I wonder if ch5 will be refunding voters monies to keep ken in...It really is pathetic anyone with a personality or point of view is thrown out...the point of the programme is to win and people would have decided in due course if Kens remarks were offensive....I think hes a gentleman I admire his honesty he realky was a breathe of fresh air...and so ch5 have lost a family of viewers who enjoyed Kens daily tantrums he was such fun...Good luck Ken the world needs more genuine guys like you

Gentlemen generally speaking treat women with respect, all I've seen from Ken in his interactions with the women in there has been lewd and completely disrespectful

Lostie! · 12-01-2015, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh.

How do you know there was no reason though? We only get to see a fraction of what goes on in there. Granted I don't know for sure that he did say something but by the same logic you don't know that he didn't

My main reason for being sceptical is that, in Saturday's episode, they showed Ken's comment to Alexander, his comments about the women, Jeremy's incident with Chloe, so I don't see why they'd make an effort to cut homophobic remarks. Especially if they were still going to show Perez branding him homophobic.

Add this to actually seeing Perez being perfectly friendly, even going as far as to expose the others' comments about him, in the same episode. I'm not saying he didn't say something homophobic, but it would be a little strange considering what we did see.

I mean, I guess a comment could have been said between Perez being friendly with Ken and their big blow-up later, but I still don't get why they'd cut it and leave the "homophobic" accusation intact.

Liam- · 12-01-2015, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by unoino

How pathetic to throw someone out of the show when nobody was offended..indeed i found his remarks very entertaining...I wonder if ch5 will be refunding voters monies to keep ken in...It really is pathetic anyone with a personality or point of view is thrown out...the point of the programme is to win and people would have decided in due course if Kens remarks were offensive....I think hes a gentleman I admire his honesty he realky was a breathe of fresh air...and so ch5 have lost a family of viewers who enjoyed Kens daily tantrums he was such fun...Good luck Ken the world needs more genuine guys like you

I'm baffled

wendywillow · 12-01-2015, 03:21 PM

ken is an ass**** but hes also entertaining, they'll be evicting hm's for a 'goshdarn' pretty soon

Niamh. · 12-01-2015, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Lostie!

My main reason for being sceptical is that, in Saturday's episode, they showed Ken's comment to Alexander, his comments about the women, Jeremy's incident with Chloe, so I don't see why they'd make an effort to cut homophobic remarks. Especially if they were still going to show Perez branding him homophobic.

Add this to actually seeing Perez being perfectly friendly, even going as far as to expose the others' comments about him, in the same episode. I'm not saying he didn't say something homophobic, but it would be a little strange considering what we did see.

I mean, I guess a comment could have been said between Perez being friendly with Ken and their big blow-up later, but I still don't get why they'd cut it and leave the "homophobic" accusation intact.

There was alot going on that nights HLs though what with all the Jeremy stuff as well. Anyway, i don't know obviously so its just speculation on my part

Marsh. · 12-01-2015, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by wendywillow

ken is an ass**** but hes also entertaining, they'll be evicting hm's for a 'goshdarn' pretty soon

Yes, because "gosh darn" is oh so comparable to bigotry.

Jake. · 12-01-2015, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Marsh.

Yes, because "gosh darn" is oh so comparable to bigotry.

Don't forget racism!

wendywillow · 12-01-2015, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Marsh.

Yes, because "gosh darn" is oh so comparable to bigotry.

hyperbole. obviously.

chuff me dizzy · 12-01-2015, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh.

How do you know there was no reason though? We only get to see a fraction of what goes on in there. Granted I don't know for sure that he did say something but by the same logic you don't know that he didn't

We saw them both in the room,we heard what was said