[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

To many people, pets are classed as family just as much. If I was in this situation, I'd be devastated either way. If the pet died, I certainly wouldn't feel "Well, at least it was the pet and not someone else". The heartbreak would be the same.

My cat passed away last summer and I mourned her just as much as I imagine I'll mourn relatives. About 7 months on and I still think about her and get sad every day, there's no comfort in the fact that she was just an animal.

I love my pets, i really do, but there would be absolutely no comparing losing a my child/partner to losing my pet, not even close.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

They're all disgusting practices no doubt but imo it doesn't change the fact that as a human I would hold another humans life to a higher value than an animals. What about that scenario I gave, are you telling me that your first response wouldn't be "Why would you save a dog over a human?"

Your wife/husband/mother/father is trapped in a burning building along with a dog, the firefighters go in and save the dog, they don't have time to save your wife/husband/mother/father so they die. You're perfectly understanding when they tell you that "sorry we could only save one and we chose the dog" ?

Well obviously my family come above everything,but the fire is an accident and not set in most cases to kill anyone on purpose,Humans differ because they are supposed to be 'the top' yet they inflict pain just to sit back,make money and have a jolly good time at some poor animals expense.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Well obviously my family come above everything,but the fire is an accident and not set in most cases to kill anyone on purpose,Humans differ because they are supposed to be 'the top' yet they inflict pain just to sit back,make money and have a jolly good time at some poor animals expense.

You never answered my question though. Would you be ok with firefighters choosing to save a dog over one of your family members?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

You never answered my question though. Would you be ok with firefighters choosing to save a dog over one of your family members?

what kind of training are Irish Firemen getting?

I blame austerity

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

You never answered my question though. Would you be ok with firefighters choosing to save a dog over one of your family members?

My brothers a fire fighter and human life comes first,so I know in that scenario they would have tried their best to save the humans but failed but if they saved the dog that would be a bonus.

[Crimson Dynamo]

With Neems scenario people would chose "their" loved ones but may not give 2 hoots about other folks


what if it were a tiger in there and the family came from say china or india

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

With Neems scenario people would chose "their" loved ones but may not give 2 hoots about other folks


what if it were a tiger in there and the family came from say china or india

I'm not asking whether you would chose your loved one though, I'm asking if you would be understanding if a firefighter saved a dog over your family member? And I believe the first thing most people would say in that situation would be, why would you save a dog over a human?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I'm not asking whether you would chose your loved one though, I'm asking if you would be understanding if a firefighter saved a dog over your family member? And I believe the first thing most people would say in that situation would be, why would you save a dog over a human?

I dont see why one needs precedence over the other

I mourned my dog like i would a human and would mourn a family member (and it will be my old man soon) the same


But looking at the earth as a whole a human life is just the same as that of a wasp

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I'm not asking whether you would chose your loved one though, I'm asking if you would be understanding if a firefighter saved a dog over your family member?

No, I wouldn't (but again, to me the pet would be a family member too). And the same goes if the situation was reversed. I doubt most people would be "perfectly understanding" if they'd just lost a loved one in a fire. I'd want all those I love to be saved, and I'd be heartbroken if any (humans and animals alike) weren't.

Originally Posted by Niamh.

And I believe the first thing most people would say in that situation would be, why would you save a dog over a human?

I'm glad I'm not "most people", then. It's not like the dog would suffer any less.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

No, I wouldn't (but again, to me the pet would be a family member too). And the same goes if the situation was reversed. I doubt most people would be "perfectly understanding" if they'd just lost a loved one in a fire. I'd want all those I love to be saved, and I'd be heartbroken if any (humans and animals alike) weren't.



I'm glad I'm not "most people", then. It's not like the dog would suffer any less.

So you would not prioritise your human family members over your dog then?

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

So you would not prioritise your human family members over your dog then?

I don't currenly have a dog but speaking hypothetically, no. I wouldn't prioritise a pet over them either. I can't simply choose between those I love.

When my cat was alive, I didn't view her as any less part of the family. Heck, I had a bigger emotional connection to her than to some family members I don't see as much.

Sorry, I just can't come around to the belief than animals matter less. Each to their own, though.

[Vicky.]

Yeah, no question about it.

However there would also be no question about me saving an animal over a paedophile for example, but thats simply because I think people like that should not be around to harm people once discovered, and we wont lock them up for life, so losing them some other way would be a good thing in my eyes

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Yeah, no question about it.

However there would also be no question about me saving an animal over a paedophile for example, but thats simply because I think people like that should not be around to harm people once discovered, and we wont lock them up for life, so losing them some other way would be a good thing in my eyes

[RichardG]

I can't think of many situations where I'd say an animals life is more important than that of a human. I have nothing against animals and would never wish them any harm but ultimately I reckon humans would almost always have to come first.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by RichardG

I can't think of many situations where I'd say an animals life is more important than that of a human. I have nothing against animals and would never wish them any harm but ultimately I reckon humans would almost always have to come first.

what about a convicted paedophile against a giant panda?

[RichardG]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

what about a convicted paedophile against a giant panda?

Perhaps that would be one of the few situations in which I'd choose the animal. Thankfully the majority of us are better than that.

[Crimson Dynamo]

A puppy or a london unlicensed mini-cab driver?

[Dollface]

Family aside, i'd definitely save my dogs over a stranger
So like, if someone said "I'm gonna kill either your dog or a human you don't know." I'd choose the human I don't know to die

[kirklancaster]

Islamic Jihadists who shoot schoolchildren, behead innocent people and set innocent humans ablaze then laugh as they die screaming, or a scabies infested rat?..... "Oh thank God they saved you Rattie"

Ian Brady and Peter Sutcliffe or a pig?..... "Oh I'm so glad they've saved your bacon Porky."

Nuff said.

[Ramsay]

Originally Posted by Dollface

Family aside, i'd definitely save my dogs over a stranger
So like, if someone said "I'm gonna kill either your dog or a human you don't know." I'd choose the human I don't know to die

This
Even if they were like oh save your mum or 10 random people die. i'd let the randomers die. selfish as **** but i don't think i'd feel bad about it at all

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Ramsay

This
Even if they were like oh save your mum or 10 random people die. i'd let the randomers die. selfish as **** but i don't think i'd feel bad about it at all

And nor should you feel bad about it - I'd do exactly the same.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

And nor should you feel bad about it - I'd do exactly the same.

Wow, I'm genuinely astonished by that and I actually doubt that if any of you were in a situation where you had to choose a person or your dog, that you would choose the dog. Are you really saying you'd let someone's child die to save your dog? Really?

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Wow, I'm genuinely astonished by that and I actually doubt that if any of you were in a situation where you had to choose a person or your dog, that you would choose the dog. Are you really saying you'd let someone's child die to save your dog? Really?

No, of course not Niamh. I'm referring to Ramsey when he said: "Even if they were like oh save your mum or 10 random people die. i'd let the randomers die. selfish as **** but i don't think i'd feel bad about it at all"

But..... as I went back on his post to copy the above, I noticed that he'd also said; "This" to Dollface's post in which she said that she would choose a stranger to die rather than her dog, so I understand why you think what you do.

I would always save a child rather than any animal, but I wouldn't always save a human over an animal per se, because I'm afraid it would depend on who the human was and what type of human he was.

[Helen 28]

It's a very difficult decision

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Helen 28

It's a very difficult decision

Not really Helen - One's a scaly beast which preys on anything weaker than itself, and the other's a Crocodile. The Croc gets saved every time.