[user104658]

Hmmmm I'm too tired to think about my opinion on Roma clans right now but I just have to add to this thread;

Us SD&N regulars aren't "brave", we've just all been in these trenches so long that we've become sort of bulletproof . Even little Josh

And I'd add that both "sides" of any thread get slammed pretty hard around here, it's definitely not one sided, I find myself on the loony left quite a lot but have certainly been in agreement with the "other lot" on enough occasions to know that there's very little difference when it comes to how "brave" you have to be to make your point. SOMEONE'S going to be butthurt by it, and they're darn well going to make sure you know about it by golly by gum!

Wait, what's this thread about again? Oh yeah, gypsies. Ummm. It irritates me when they try to sell me **** flowers and then get abusive when I politely tell them to piss off. That's about as much as I can manage on the topic. Really effing tired.

[Niamh.]

Can you all try to discuss the topic and not eachother please

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Can you all try to discuss the topic and not eachother please

Fair request Niamh and I apologise for my transgressions. I'm out of here anyway.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Can you all try to discuss the topic and not eachother please

Party-pooper, where's the fun in that?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Party-pooper, where's the fun in that?

shurrup TS you looney leftie

[letmein]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Can you all try to discuss the topic and not eachother please

This is a hate thread and should be locked. Warnings should be going out as well. I can't believe hate speech like this is even permissible here. Open up a history book. Anti-Roma propaganda like this is dangerous. It led to genocide the last time.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by letmein

I can't believe hate speech like this is even permissible here.

Really? It's not that uncommon on here tbh...

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by letmein

This is a hate thread and should be locked. Warnings should be going out as well. I can't believe hate speech like this is even permissible here. Open up a history book. Anti-Roma propaganda like this is dangerous. It led to genocide the last time.

There is no 'Hate Speech' of Romas per se, just the truth about about a certain group of unlawful people who just happen to be 'Roma'.

If a pack of feral dogs were roaming around entering homes and attacking people, would a member outlining the existence of such be accused of 'misocyny' - the hating of all dogs?

Perspective is what's needed not thread closing.

[kirklancaster]

Was the great Dean Martin xenophobic? I only ask because I swear I once heard him singing; 'Arriverderci Roma'.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

There is no 'Hate Speech' of Romas per se, just the truth about about a certain group of unlawful people who just happen to be 'Roma'.

Ummmm come on, reread the first page of this thread. That's really not what's going on is it? There's a LOT of stereotyping.

The message isn't "There's a growing criminal group of Romani people"... it is very much "There is a growing Romani population, and that is bad because Romani people are criminals."

[Liam-]

I don't have an issue with people coming over here if it's for genuine reasons, but we have enough crime in Britain as it is without foreigners coming over here to take advantage of our easy touch government, we're too concerned about looking good to the rest of the world to put our foot down and deport people if they don't bring something to the table for us, Government, especially right now are so concerned with cutting British people's benefits because a minority of the population are playing silly buggers with the system, but yet they're happy to allow people to come over here - who a lot of the time have no intention to work or to give back to a country willing to take them in - and scrounge off of the benefits so they can stay here and commit crimes against people, it's ludicrous.

If you want to come over here to work and live a better life for you and your family, come on over, you're more than welcome, but if you want to come over to break the law and do your own thing, then don't even bother coming, but if they do, send them back to where they come from, we have enough issues of our own without having to deal with people like that.

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Liam-

I don't have an issue with people coming over here if it's for genuine reasons, but we have enough crime in Britain as it is without foreigners coming over here to take advantage of our easy touch government, we're too concerned about looking good to the rest of the world to put our foot down and deport people if they don't bring something to the table for us, Government, especially right now are so concerned with cutting British people's benefits because a minority of the population are playing silly buggers with the system, but yet they're happy to allow people to come over here - who a lot of the time have no intention to work or to give back to a country willing to take them in - and scrounge off of the benefits so they can stay here and commit crimes against people, it's ludicrous.

If you want to come over here to work and live a better life for you and your family, come on over, you're more than welcome, but if you want to come over to break the law and do your own thing, then don't even bother coming, but if they do, send them back to where they come from, we have enough issues of our own without having to deal with people like that.

Totally and utterly agree, as always. Well said.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Chaos

Totally and utterly agree, as always. Well said.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Liam-

I don't have an issue with people coming over here if it's for genuine reasons, but we have enough crime in Britain as it is without foreigners coming over here to take advantage of our easy touch government, we're too concerned about looking good to the rest of the world to put our foot down and deport people if they don't bring something to the table for us, Government, especially right now are so concerned with cutting British people's benefits because a minority of the population are playing silly buggers with the system, but yet they're happy to allow people to come over here - who a lot of the time have no intention to work or to give back to a country willing to take them in - and scrounge off of the benefits so they can stay here and commit crimes against people, it's ludicrous.

If you want to come over here to work and live a better life for you and your family, come on over, you're more than welcome, but if you want to come over to break the law and do your own thing, then don't even bother coming, but if they do, send them back to where they come from, we have enough issues of our own without having to deal with people like that.

[kirklancaster]

Just for the record - I am willing to PROOF to Josy or any appropriate Mod, genuine letters with names, addresses and phone numbers of Asians in Huddersfield and Bradford, Albanians in Sheffield, and Lithuanians in Doncaster who respect me and number me as a friend due to the fact that I have helped each and every one of them and their families in diverse ways including fighting injustice over the past 8 years or so.

Why? Because they are all decent, law abiding, hard-working people who WANT to integrate and who respect us and our way of life.

Are there Asians, Albanians, Lithuanians who are utter, benefit scrounging criminal turds who do not respect us and despise our way of life? Yes, just are there are British ones.

Would I help them or want to befriend them?

No more than I would the turds in the OP.

[AnnieK]

What I find intriguing, is we are all so busy defending people from other cultures and their rights to be here that we are allowing our national identity to slip a little. There was a story in the paper about a guy serving in the RAF being asked to leave a hospital waiting room for fear that his uniform would upset other cultures. This guy has served on active duty and he and all the other armed forces now and in the past have allowed us to enjoy our country as a safe and liberal place but it seems it is ok to offend people like that but God forbid you dare air views on other cultures for fear of being labelled xenophobic or racist (which I am neither). All the media hype about immigrants are fuelng people's distrust / dislike and making the situation worse IMO

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-patients.html

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

What I find intriguing, is we are all so busy defending people from other cultures and their rights to be here that we are allowing our national identity to slip a little. There was a story in the paper about a guy serving in the RAF being asked to leave a hospital waiting room for fear that his uniform would upset other cultures. This guy has served on active duty and he and all the other armed forces now and in the past have allowed us to enjoy our country as a safe and liberal place but it seems it is ok to offend people like that but God forbid you dare air views on other cultures for fear of being labelled xenophobic or racist (which I am neither). All the media hype about immigrants are fuelng people's distrust / dislike and making the situation worse IMO

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-patients.html

that disgusting story made me so angry i could not even find it in myself to make a thread

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

What I find intriguing, is we are all so busy defending people from other cultures and their rights to be here that we are allowing our national identity to slip a little. There was a story in the paper about a guy serving in the RAF being asked to leave a hospital waiting room for fear that his uniform would upset other cultures. This guy has served on active duty and he and all the other armed forces now and in the past have allowed us to enjoy our country as a safe and liberal place but it seems it is ok to offend people like that but God forbid you dare air views on other cultures for fear of being labelled xenophobic or racist (which I am neither). All the media hype about immigrants are fuelng people's distrust / dislike and making the situation worse IMO

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-patients.html

That's shocking. I'm all for helping refugees but they need to respect our cultures if they want to come to our countries, that I do agree with.

[Samuel.]

I can see both sides of the argument. Never should an entire ethnicity be generalised, individuals obviously can differ massively despite sharing the same cultural background and upbringing, however of course there will inevitably be differences in what's deemed acceptable behaviour and perhaps (I don't know a great deal about them) Roma gypsies' way of life has lead to them believing thieving to survive to be perfectly acceptable within their community. That's not to say they are evil people or anything alike but it could well be an attitude that has been passed done through generations of trying to survive in a lifestyle that is becoming increasingly hard to sustain, but also obviously the only way of life they've known.

With that said, I don't know what my thoughts are on this story

[MTVN]

All this over a story from December 2014 that's been posted lol? I get that this thread has branched out a bit but actually the (old) news story in the OP doesn't offend me that much. He's a scrap metal collector whose wage is so low that he's eligible for benefits and tax credits. He tops up his earnings with those and he sends his money home to support his family. He's from an EU country so has the right to free movement and he can do what he likes with his money. I don't see why people are talking about our country being an 'easy touch' or how we should be deporting people breaking our laws because, as far as I can see, this man is doing nothing illegal. If people have a problem with it then blame the system not the low-earning scrap metal collector who is using EU values to support himself and his family.

[BB4fan]

People tend to shoot the messenger and ignore the message.

Roma Gypsies are living rough in London and they are ransacking peoples belongings and using knives to rip open garbage bags and litter London.


Taxpayers are paying for this mess.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by BB4fan

People tend to shoot the messenger and ignore the message.

Roma Gypsies are living rough in London and they are ransacking peoples belongings and using knives to rip open garbage bags and litter London.


Taxpayers are paying for this mess.

And your second post said, "And London is filled with illegal migrants like this."

So are you talking about Romani's or are you talking about illegal migrants? Do you include legal Romani's in your post? The English Romani's? or just the ones who came in recently and don't have any authority to be here?

[empire]

under new labour, they gave more rights to thugs and robbers who beat people, and if they got back in, they would pass another daft law, that would give roma gypsies the right to do what they want, and you can't stop them from stealing your things, because the police will turn the tables on you, they won't suffer from the welfare cap because they are under a special status law, so that's equality for you, one get's but the other doesn't, the left wing in this country are so crooked, and delusional, that they are as bad as the greedy rich, but with a twist,

[Ammi]

...just to balance it up a bit, this vid shows travellers, including Romas, working very hard and getting through Uni and contributing a lot to their communities ..and despite any disadvantages../education wise they have had from early school years...

Youtube video

..it's like anything and everything in life, I think..'good and bad..'..and good and bad in every community...

..I don't really have much personal experience of Roma's in particular as I don't know of any who live or have lived locally...I have spoken to some when I've been in other countries though and I've always found that whether you buy the things they sell or try to sell or don't buy them, they're very nice, respectful and interesting people..and that's really all my personal experience, that I've had a few good conversations...

..with travellers in general though, we do have traveller's communities locally and always have had and many travelling children and families at the school..we have had a few not so great ones but really only a few..the majority are very hardworking, working 7 days a week in many cases and all working together as a family when the children aren't in school...they have their customs and traditions etc and although I don't always agree with all, I do understand them and their reasonings...


..sadly the media so often just wants to portray 'the Big Fat Gypsy Wedding..'...and give no balance to that..but no traveller that I have met personally has ever fitted that stereotype....


...anyways as Matt said, an old story and the main thing that I read from it is..'we have to tighten up and cut benefits..'...yeah right, so is that the stories agenda then....

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...just to balance it up a bit, this vid shows travellers, including Romas, working very hard and getting through Uni and contributing a lot to their communities ..and despite any disadvantages../education wise they have had from early school years...

Youtube video

..it's like anything and everything in life, I think..'good and bad..'..and good and bad in every community...

..I don't really have much personal experience of Roma's in particular as I don't know of any who live or have lived locally...I have spoken to some when I've been in other countries though and I've always found that whether you buy the things they sell or try to sell or don't buy them, they're very nice, respectful and interesting people..and that's really all my personal experience, that I've had a few good conversations...

..with travellers in general though, we do have traveller's communities locally and always have had and many travelling children and families at the school..we have had a few not so great ones but really only a few..the majority are very hardworking, working 7 days a week in many cases and all working together as a family when the children aren't in school...they have their customs and traditions etc and although I don't always agree with all, I do understand them and their reasonings...


..sadly the media so often just wants to portray 'the Big Fat Gypsy Wedding..'...and give no balance to that..but no traveller that I have met personally has ever fitted that stereotype....


...anyways as Matt said, an old story and the main thing that I read from it is..'we have to tighten up and cut benefits..'...yeah right, so is that the stories agenda then....

Thanks Ammi