[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

And equally people have the right to disagree with those opinions Caitlin

But no one is trying to shut down your view

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

And equally people have the right to disagree with those opinions Caitlin

Obviously, lol. I'm not saying 'WE MUST UNDERSTAND HIS OPINIONS!!!11' I'm saying that you can't change someones opinion by publicly shaming them and telling them how wrong they are. You can disagree, of course, but doing what everyone is doing won't solve anything. I just don't understand why people are getting so worked up over it.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Chaos

Obviously, lol. I'm not saying 'WE MUST UNDERSTAND HIS OPINIONS!!!11' I'm saying that you can't change someones opinion by publicly shaming them and telling them how wrong they are. You can disagree, of course, but doing what everyone is doing won't solve anything. I just don't understand why people are getting so worked up over it.

Well it's Big Brother, the whole way the show works is if we don't like a persons opinions we say so and get them out

[Samm]

He's got a **** and outdated opinion so no, we shouldn't accept it!

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by ~Sam~

He's got a **** and outdated opinion so no, we shouldn't accept it!

It's not a question of accepting it, it's a question of letting him air it so it can be challenged and debated

[Pete.]

He would have been evicted over his attitude to women despite yesterday's task anyway

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Pete.

He would have been evicted over his attitude to women despite yesterday's task anyway

I wasn't offended I found his view amusing

[Pete.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I wasn't offended I found his view amusing

You weren't voting though

[Shaun]

I suppose much of the apparent overreaction to one person's "unpopular belief" is the fear that it's secretly held by the majority: let's not pretend that gay rights are the most stable thing in the world right now. So whilst to us it's just "WINSTON IS WRONG!!! EVICT HIM!!!! SICKO!!!" there's basically an underlying worry that he and his party are canvassing the votes of like-minded people. Which they are. Weren't they the 3rd largest party in terms of votes across the country?

It may be an overreaction but it's a fair one - maybe 50 years down the line when gay adoption isn't still a "new thing" that could very quickly and promptly be written out of law by a party on the extreme right, we can all look back and laugh at the idea of adoption rights being at jeopardy. Right now we can't, really.

[totaldynamic]

Of course we should accept his opinions. Whether you choose to label them as "wrong" is entirely of your own volition and not some holier than thou world view that everybody needs to accept.

The reaction of some of the housemates to Winston's comments was embarrassing to watch and I'd argue that that sort of ganging up and the sort of bitchy faces being pulled by John Partridge do more damage to the cause they purport to care so deeply about than they'd like to expect.

One of my best friends is gay and totally disagrees with gay couples being allowed to adopt children, as do many others, does that make him a backwards homophobe too? Of course it doesn't.

[Visage]

Originally Posted by totaldynamic

One of my best friends is gay and totally disagrees with gay couples being allowed to adopt children, as do many others, does that make him a backwards homophobe too? Of course it doesn't.

But does he compare it to child abuse?

[totaldynamic]

Originally Posted by Visage

But does he compare it to child abuse?

No he doesn't but the main point I was making was that, in my opinion, the ridiculous overreaction by the housemates, John Partridge's awful facial expressions and Emma Willis' attacking of Winston McKenzie do far more damage to the cause of the LGBT community than the opinions of a powerless minority like McKenzie.

[Visage]

Originally Posted by totaldynamic

No he doesn't but the main point I was making was that, in my opinion, the ridiculous overreaction by the housemates, John Partridge's awful facial expressions and Emma Willis' attacking of Winston McKenzie do far more damage to the cause of the LGBT community than the opinions of a powerless minority like McKenzie.

But child abuse?


Coming from a seemingly intelligent guy?

[Amy Jade]

While I would agree he is entitled to his opinion I have 0 respect for a person who thinks gay couples adopting is child abuse.

I'm also a bit perplexed by the 'well it doesn't concern you' about I guess straight people being annoyed or disgusted by his opinions - I find that stupid actually - I've never experienced animal abuse but I'd be fuming if somebody said it was funny

[Ninastar]

When I say 'We should respect other peoples opinions' I don't mean we should say 'yaas you're so right, i totes agree', I mean that we should say 'Well I don't agree with your opinions but I can put that behind me and treat you like a human anyway.'

I just think the way Winston has been treated tonight has been completely OTT.

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Chaos

When I say 'We should respect other peoples opinions' I don't mean we should say 'yaas you're so right, i totes agree', I mean that we should say 'Well I don't agree with your opinions but I can put that behind me and treat you like a human anyway.'

I just think the way Winston has been treated tonight has been completely OTT.

people have opinions over an opinion and some views/opinions do not go down well with others and the people who are angry have the right to be angry too. Respect has to be earned too. Can't really respect something that you don't agree with can you?

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by LukeB

people have opinions over an opinion and some views/opinions do not go down well with others and the people who are angry have the right to be angry too. Respect has to be earned too. Can't really respect something that you don't agree with can you?

No, you can't 'respect' something you disagree with, but you can rise above it and treat people like humans either way. You can try and encourage them to see the light. You can show them how their opinions are wrong, and if at the end of the day, they don't change their opinions, you can shrug your shoulders and say you tried.

[chuff me dizzy]

100% Yes

[smudgie]

No, you don't have to respect their opinion, but I do respect their right to their opinion.

[joeysteele]

Respecting opinions is a 2 way track however, the View of Winston that gay adoption has any relevance to child abuse, doesn't command respect it warrants contempt.

He of course has the right to hold his views but once he makes them public then he opens that up to debate and criticism.

Respect for opinions of those who disagree with us is of course correct but not deliberate offence with no full and unreserved retraction of the offensive comments.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Respecting opinions is a 2 way track however, the View of Winston that gay adoption has any relevance to child abuse, doesn't command respect it warrants contempt.

He of course has the right to hold his views but once he makes them public then he opens that up to debate and criticism.

Respect for opinions of those who disagree with us is of course correct but not deliberate offence with no full and unreserved retraction of the offensive comments.

Beautifully put as always Joey

[jet]

I don't think an opinion should automatically be respected. Any ass can have one. I'd need to respect the person giving the opinion first, and secondly decide if they have valid points to make.
Winston lost on both counts.

[Paul Kersey]

Originally Posted by Chaos

Obviously going with what's going on tonight... Do you think it's right to boo and hate and argue with those who we don't agree with?

It really winds me up how awful everyone has been towards Winston. Yes he's pretty disgusting with his views, but do people really think that treating him they way they did would fix anything? Like surely, it's better to show people they are wrong, rather than try and make them feel **** for their opinions?

I honestly think that when you treat people like they are disgusting for having a different opinion to you, it doesn't solve anything... You can change peoples opinions by encouraging them and hoping for the best. If you try and force them, nothing will change.

Just my opinion... I'm sure I'm in the minority though.

6 JAN 2016

http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/e...kenzie-7126431

[smudgie]

I would have liked to have heard more about his views on the child abuse issue.
Was he on about sexual abuse, physical abuse, or was he on about mental abuse?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by smudgie

I would have liked to have heard more about his views on the child abuse issue.
Was he on about sexual abuse, physical abuse, or was he on about mental abuse?

Yeah if he had been allowed to expand on this a bit, it might have made a bit more 'sense'

I don't mean it would justify it, but the child abuse thing just..I can't make any sense of at all. I cannot see anyway in which it is abuse. Nor did the 'the child can't cho0se' make any sense as an explanation.