[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by parmnion

https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbi...8627&source=48

that is some pathetic facebook, 9/11 teenager conspiracy bollocks

[Beso]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

that is some pathetic facebook, 9/11 teenager conspiracy bollocks

Just thought i would post it seeing as people are going on about unanswered questions.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Just thought i would post it seeing as people are going on about unanswered questions.

What is the source of these questions?

[Beso]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

What is the source of these questions?

Shes a very pretty lady though.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

What is the source of these questions?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...se-police.html

Its 48 questions Kate McCann refused to answer when questioned by police soon after Maddy disappeared.

[Alf]

We should have a conspiracy theory thread.

[Crimson Dynamo]

[Denver]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Looks so fake and staged

[user104658]

My thoughts on this are the same as ever;

- I'm 50/50 over whether or not the McCanns played an active role in their daughter's disappearance.

- However I believe they are 100% guilty of causing her death by neglect. Either way, whether she was kidnapped OR died in an accident that they covered up, is irrelevant.

- I do have some sympathy for their situation... but I'm afraid it's minimal, because however you look at it, that little girl is the victim in this story, and what happened to her was entirely avoidable. It's horrendous and completely over-rides their suffering.

- Finally, I don't really understand their response or their situation at all so I struggle to empathise. If it was my daughter, I'd either be turning over every rock in Portugal by hand, or I'd be dead. Quite probably the latter... and that's not an exaggeration.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

My thoughts on this are the same as ever;

- I'm 50/50 over whether or not the McCanns played an active role in their daughter's disappearance.

- However I believe they are 100% guilty of causing her death by neglect. Either way, whether she was kidnapped OR died in an accident that they covered up, is irrelevant.

- I do have some sympathy for their situation... but I'm afraid it's minimal, because however you look at it, that little girl is the victim in this story, and what happened to her was entirely avoidable. It's horrendous and completely over-rides their suffering.

- Finally, I don't really understand their response or their situation at all so I struggle to empathise. If it was my daughter, I'd either be turning over every rock in Portugal by hand, or I'd be dead. Quite probably the latter... and that's not an exaggeration.

100% agreement with this

[Babayaro.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

My thoughts on this are the same as ever;

- I'm 50/50 over whether or not the McCanns played an active role in their daughter's disappearance.

- However I believe they are 100% guilty of causing her death by neglect. Either way, whether she was kidnapped OR died in an accident that they covered up, is irrelevant.

- I do have some sympathy for their situation... but I'm afraid it's minimal, because however you look at it, that little girl is the victim in this story, and what happened to her was entirely avoidable. It's horrendous and completely over-rides their suffering.

- Finally, I don't really understand their response or their situation at all so I struggle to empathise. If it was my daughter, I'd either be turning over every rock in Portugal by hand, or I'd be dead. Quite probably the latter... and that's not an exaggeration.

Finally some sense

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

My thoughts on this are the same as ever;

- I'm 50/50 over whether or not the McCanns played an active role in their daughter's disappearance.

- However I believe they are 100% guilty of causing her death by neglect. Either way, whether she was kidnapped OR died in an accident that they covered up, is irrelevant.

- I do have some sympathy for their situation... but I'm afraid it's minimal, because however you look at it, that little girl is the victim in this story, and what happened to her was entirely avoidable. It's horrendous and completely over-rides their suffering.

- Finally, I don't really understand their response or their situation at all so I struggle to empathise. If it was my daughter, I'd either be turning over every rock in Portugal by hand, or I'd be dead. Quite probably the latter... and that's not an exaggeration.

Great post.

[Denver]

Whether your a suspect or not firstly you want to make sure your daughter is alive and safe and secondly clear your name so refusing to answer questions on the advise of your breif makes no sense whatsoever

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

SO when you were accused of a serious crime did you ignore your legal team

Tell us what happened next?



*grabs chair*

If my daughter was missing and presumed to be either already dead or at the very least in extreme danger, I literally wouldn't care about anything. At all. Least of all having a legal team, or taking their advice.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

If my daughter was missing and presumed to be either already dead or at the very least in extreme danger, I literally wouldn't care about anything. At all. Least of all having a legal team, or taking their advice.

anecdotal wishful thinking is just that

you have no idea what you would have done, you may think you would do x and y but do not crucify a family based on "well i know what i would have done"


it did not happen to you thankfully and you have no bloody idea

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

If my daughter was missing and presumed to be either already dead or at the very least in extreme danger, I literally wouldn't care about anything. At all. Least of all having a legal team, or taking their advice.

My thoughts exactly ,sod the legalities ,just get my daughter found.

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

If my daughter was missing and presumed to be either already dead or at the very least in extreme danger, I literally wouldn't care about anything. At all. Least of all having a legal team, or taking their advice.

You would probably still care about your other children. An innocent person ignoring legal advise knowing that it would likely lead to them being prosecuted and losing their children makes no sense whatsoever. Are people forgetting they still had other kids to look after? Of course legal advice would be sought.

And I think some people seem to be under the misconception that these questions would somehow result in Madeline being found, and by not answering them, they were hindering the search. But this isn't true, the questions were designed to incriminate the McCanns. Answering them would only have led to the discovery of Madeline's whereabouts, had the McCanns been guilty. So under the presumption that they were innocent, and knowing that they had two other children, their actions in this scenario makes perfect sense.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

You would probably still care about your other children. An innocent person ignoring legal advise knowing that it would likely lead to them being prosecuted and losing their children makes no sense whatsoever. Are people forgetting they still had other kids to look after? Of course legal advice would be sought.

And I think some people seem to be under the misconception that these questions would somehow result in Madeline being found, and by not answering them, they were hindering the search. But this isn't true, the questions were designed to incriminate the McCanns. Answering them would only have led to the discovery of Madeline's whereabouts, had the McCanns been guilty. So under the presumption that they were innocent, and knowing that they had two other children, their actions in this scenario makes perfect sense.

..great post Jamie..whether it be 28/38/68 questions or whatever the number, legal advice would have said not to answer certain things, because we all know that the police are the 'enemy' in things like this and the only 'friend' is legal council and their advice...I think it would be an instinct for anyone and any parent to answer every question with honesty and assume that no guilt would be found if there was innocence/that innocent people don't get charged or convicted etc... but we all know that isn't true..and at times when their heads would have been in total chaos and they may have wanted to answer everything, that's where a legal advisor is needed because they have that clar head and experience to know that 'possibly incriminating' does not mean guilt but could lead to miscarriages of justice in the quest for wanting answers/a case solved and all neatly wrapped up, type thing....


...anyways (imo)...the worst parental judgement that night, I mean really...and then on top of that, the media images of Kate not looking like a 'stereotypical' distraught parent, whatever a stereotypical distraught parent is meant to look like because that would be different for every person...their holiday images of loving, devoted parents being overlooked in the images of Kate after Madeine's disappearance and the close scrutiny there...no evidence of being shocking parents beforehand and to my knowledge, none with the twins since...but in Portugal on that holiday, well...what on earth...

..this has often been compared to the disappearance of Ben Needham but there was a completely different public perspective with that..(obviously cases are not directly comparable in the details of..)..of Ben's mum more 'fulfilling' of the 'stereotypical mother in pain and despair'...something which gains the empathy/support of a public and something which Kate never had really, she was so much publicly judged for her actions after Madeleine's disappearance, obviously led by the media with that...and from then on in, I personally think that judgement and speculation was written in stone, nothing she would have done/said etc would have been viewed in anything other than a negative...

..she didn't answer questions but in answering those questions...(and assuming innocence until proven otherwise..)..those questions, if answered would not have made any difference to discovering what happened to Madeleine...but at the worst for instance, those answers could have meant two other children losing their mother to prison/to a wrongful imprisonment just adding to the initial tragedy of it all...or both parents, even...as well as never knowing their sister all of these years, they could have lost so much more../just so many wrongs could have been layered on and on...and yes, I am assuming innocence in terms of Madeleine disappearing because in 9 years, nothing else has been proved to charges having been made to be brought to trial...did their actions that night, lead directly to../of course, Madeleine had to be alone and what parent would ever....but 9 years on, they're still 'imprisoned' because of that, they no doubt will be for the rest of their lives...their own self imprisoned and totally deserved..?...ok, but the twins also will spend the rest of their lives, not only with probably never knowing their sister, but with having the full public suspicions of their mum and dad/the parents they love, having harmed her in some way/on top of their parent's extreme bad parenting those evening....it's something that they've been 'sentenced to as well'...


..(this is probably a bit garbled because I'm in a rush for work..)...


...just to add though, not only are the McCann's, self imprisoned for the rest of their lives for their unbelievable choices/decisions in Portugal, 9 years ago...but as devoted Catholics (I believe..)...they will also know that they will have to answer to their God, in their beliefs so if they did harm Madeline in any way...they full well know that they haven't 'got away' with anything....

[Ammi]

..this is a general public comment from a site on Kate and Gerry...

Would any real parents of a recently abducted child be smiling and laughing so much less than two week's later, cause no matter how much stress training anyone's had in their career's, emotional trauma's just isn't the same thing as work related stress, so someone's got their psychology totally out of line here, the McCann's are looking more like they've won the flippin lottery, and revelling in the attention they're getting...they look more and more psychotically disturbed the more I see them, they're just not real, they're behaviour is like paid actor's than of parents of an abducted child, that's probably why they've published photos of Madeleine made up of different kids parts, including their own photos, like the one of Kate aged 5 year's old in her red dress with her hair tied back, as if no one would recognise her... how pathetic!


...well, whatever the inclination to believe, the flipping over of that would be...'would any real parents of a recently abducted child, in full knowledge of themselves having a part in that 'abduction'..and two intelligent people, be laughing and smiling so much, within weeks of the disappearance..'...that wouldn't make sense to be true, to me...the 'stereotypical grief' would have very much been apparent...in my observations/and generalising, the 'obvious guilty parent' is most often the one 'endlessly and publicly crying with grief', straight after the disappearance...

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

She was doing what every person does in that situation, listens to her expert legal team


sorry is this some new concept for people on tibb?



Maybe Girth you can furnish the thread with examples of where joe public ignore their legal team to their great benefit in situations like this?

Also can you link to the interview with the police and the interview with kate where she explains her actions

Gerry was also in the interview. Strange for suspects to be interviewed together.

Dont know what you're on about in the 2nd half. Why do I need to give other examples? We're talking about the McCanns in a thread you started

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

She was doing what every person does in that situation, listens to her expert legal team


sorry is this some new concept for people on tibb?



Maybe Girth you can furnish the thread with examples of where joe public ignore their legal team to their great benefit in situations like this?

Also can you link to the interview with the police and the interview with kate where she explains her actions

Oi, you asked for input into this thread, don't get all supercilious when people comment... Nobody's on trial here :/

[Mokka]

Originally Posted by Adam.

Why would you want to incriminate yourself by refusing to answer important questions

actually... refusing to answer questions under a lawyers advice is the exact opposite of incriminating yourself

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Mokka

actually... refusing to answer questions under a lawyers advice is the exact opposite of incriminating yourself

But it makes you look more suspicious which will keep you as a suspect right?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Adam.

But it makes you look more suspicious which will keep you as a suspect right?

no its standard procedure, the Portuguese police are trying with their questions to incriminate - these are not innocent questions they are leading questions designed to get a conviction

this is why you call a lawyer

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

no its standard procedure, the Portuguese police are trying with their questions to incriminate - these are not innocent questions they are leading questions designed to get a conviction

this is why you call a lawyer

Leading questions like - Whats your medical specialty?