[Redway]

Originally Posted by Firewire

this is true, but so do many other religions. look at Africa. many countries are predominately Christian and have extreme anti-gay laws. Look at Russia, that's not a Muslim country, but has extreme anti-gay laws and homophobia is rife. North Carolina is trying to pass an anti-gay law. That's not a Muslim state.

It's not a Muslim issue. It's an issue with many people, religious or not.

Exactly what I was trying to say, pretty much.

I don't think anyone's pulling out the PC card for pointing out that those statistics were probably done with an anti-Muslim agenda in mind. You can just tell by the way the bloke talks about them in a less than favourable light.

[Cherie]

It's annoying though because there seems to be a soft approach to religious Muslims, they are "allowed" to have their beliefs because they are strict in their religion, but at the same time white Christians are hauled over the coals if they have strict beliefs and belittled, that we live in England and this is happening is quite alarming, we should be treating everyone in the same way not chipping away at one section while allowing another section freedom

[Ninastar]

I think you've pretty much hit the nail on the head there, Cherie. I see more hatred for Christians not believing in gay marriage, than I do for Muslims throwing gays off roofs... (these are just examples)

That's not me saying one is worse than the other, I'm just saying that there is a lot more hate for Christians (mainly white ones...) in comparison with hatred for Muslims.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

I think you've pretty much hit the nail on the head there, Cherie. I see more hatred for Christians not believing in gay marriage, than I do for Muslims throwing gays off roofs... (these are just examples)

That's not me saying one is worse than the other, I'm just saying that there is a lot more hate for Christians (mainly white ones...) in comparison with hatred for Muslims.

One is infinitely worse than the other> Christ was the greatest man to ever walk this earth, muslims believe in far harsher more radical things, they also do NOT believe in forgiveness. These faiths are almost incompatible. I balme the liberals 100% for the way we have thrown out our belief system and allowed the radical muslims to simply take over.

[Ammi]

....hmmm, I don't really hold that much store by polls/surveys anyway because they're very much geared up/manipulated etc with the people surveyed, as Salv has said...it would depend on many things, of which Muslim people were asked, the same as it would of any religion etc...and I don't personally understand how it could not be biased if it's a survey that only Muslim beliefs were included in and didn't incorporate mixed religions, as in what do people with definite religious beliefs in general think of homosexuality...or balanced up with practising Christians in another poll, so that at least the two could be compared like for like..I mean why do we have to look back to 2011, 5 years ago for the equivalent polling with Christians.. how could that not be biased if an 'up to date survey' is only being done in the Muslim community but we have to search to find anything to compare...and also, why is this aspect of it being singled out to be reported in the media/discussed on the radio or whatever before the programme has aired, when the programme is about a general 'What Do British Muslims Really Think', so I presume a broad view of many things from the Muslim community ...(or specifically the Muslim people taking part in the programme..)...but this seems very slanting already in a negative way...52% anyway is obviously around half, so if a survey/poll is to be believed to be representative then half of all Muslims in the UK are tolerant to homosexuality, would it have been that in 2011/the same because to me that shows a progression in general of any religion...


...going back to the OP, it's said there that 'Muslims won't mix or don't mix', so it's not really showing 'hate' toward homosexuality either, just more that beliefs are often slow with their mind-sets in progressing, but that's not that unusual either with any religion, is it..and how so we know that 'Christians mix', many may not, but aren't vocal about their views, they just don't mix..?......and Britain only just made gay marriage legal a few years ago...so views are changing/mind-sets are changing/laws are changing etc, it's all progression but it does all take a bit of time as well...(whatever the religion..)...because primarily, it's all individual views...anyways, this all does feel quite bias to me and very slanting...the timing of the whole airing of the programme and recent extreme terror attacks etc..(plus possible the in/out EU referendum coming up, if I was really cynical and those goddamn immigrants..)...

[Mystic Mock]

If the guy running the survey leans more towards the right wing side of politics, then you have got to wonder how true this is.

But if it is true and unbiased then yes I'm concerned that just over half of the Muslim population want homosexuality to be illegal.

TIBB would shut down within a day.

[Mystic Mock]

If the guy running the survey leans more towards the right wing side of politics, then you have got to wonder how true this is.

But if it is true and unbiased then yes I'm concerned that just over half of the Muslim population want homosexuality to be illegal.

TIBB would shut down within a day.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

If the guy running the survey leans more towards the right wing side of politics, then you have got to wonder how true this is.

But if it is true and unbiased then yes I'm concerned that just over half of the Muslim population want homosexuality to be illegal.

TIBB would shut down within a day.

..that's the thing as well though, polls are too easy to manipulate ...if for instance a poll was done of all TiBB members ever regarding homophobic remarks/infractions/bans etc for those remarks and just based on religion, leaving out non-faiths...then what would be the percentage then of a breakdown of Christians and Muslims, who had made those remarks...the percentages would always vary, depending on who is taking part in a poll...you don't have to be extreme in religious views to have completely different mind-sets on things....

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..that's the thing as well though, polls are too easy to manipulate ...if for instance a poll was done of all TiBB members ever regarding homophobic remarks/infractions/bans etc for those remarks and just based on religion, leaving out non-faiths...then what would be the percentage then of a breakdown of Christians and Muslims, who had made those remarks...the percentages would always vary, depending on who is taking part in a poll...you don't have to be extreme in religious views to have completely different mind-sets on things....

Strong points Ammi, I agree.

Tbh I'm just amazed that the right wing parties don't like Muslims more considering they are very right wing, and they are easier to control as they know less of their rights, and follow their Religion more devoutly than any other Religion at this point.

Generalizing of course.

[Kizzy]

It may be a generalisation Mock but there's more than a grain of truth in that imo.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It may be a generalisation Mock but there's more than a grain of truth in that imo.

Thanks for understanding me Kizzy as I know that I can be a bit frantic in the way that I put my point across.

[MTVN]

I don't know why everyone is so sceptical of the poll, it was carried out by ICM, one of the leading pollsters who enforce very rigorous checks and practices to try and make their polls as accurate and representative as possible, they don't have any agendas to push

[arista]

This Afternoon it was debated on Radio 5

what does that mean Dezzy?
I mean it was on LBC , but now BBC Radio 5

[arista]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

If the guy running the survey leans more towards the right wing side of politics, then you have got to wonder how true this is.

But if it is true and unbiased then yes I'm concerned that just over half of the Muslim population want homosexuality to be illegal.

Of course its True
please watch it Weds 10PM Ch4HD
60mins Docu

[DemolitionRed]

The thing is, this is a "faith" thing. If you asked Mormons or Jehovah or certain types of Jewish faith the same question, they would give you the same answer as Muslims.

Some forms of Judaism accept homosexuality, others don’t.
Some forms of Christianity accept homosexuality, others don’t.
Hinduism embraces homosexuality and to some extent Sikhism does.
All major Islamic schools disapprove of homosexuality.

[DemolitionRed]

They also don't believe in Christmas but that doesn't mean some don't still practice it.

[the truth]

soooo bored of talking about homosexuality tbh theres infinitely more important maters to discuss

[letmein]

Originally Posted by the truth

soooo bored of talking about homosexuality tbh theres infinitely more important maters to discuss

Then go discuss them.

[coffee]

Most middle aged people in general (no matter muslim, atheist, white or black) think there is something 'off' with being gay. You can see in their facial expressions how sick it makes them feel even if they don't actually give an opinion on it. It's just how they were brought up and it's their own laziness that stops them from actually educating themselves. Sadly they will live ignorant and die ignorant.

The thing with Islam is that they continue to teach that gay is not ok and that is why a lot of young people these days who are not down with homosexuality is Muslims. I feel sorry for Muslims who are gay and are ashamed of it. Really is nothing to be ashamed of. I just wish they had parents to talk to who would understand...

I just can never get my head around why there is so much DRAMA over who people LOVE! LOL, why don't people mind their own business thoughhhhhh

[Kizzy]

Middle ageism is now a thing?... :/

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by coffee

Most middle aged people in general (no matter muslim, atheist, white or black) think there is something 'off' with being gay. You can see in their facial expressions how sick it makes them feel even if they don't actually give an opinion on it. It's just how they were brought up and it's their own laziness that stops them from actually educating themselves. Sadly they will live ignorant and die ignorant.

Eh?

The thoughts of kissing, having sex with or being in a relationship with Elton John makes me feel sick.

Has nothing to do with my being perfectly happy for whoever wants to be with him to be with him.

Being sickened by some of the sexual preferences of other people is not the same thing as uneducated and homophobic.

[waterhog]

Originally Posted by the truth

soooo bored of talking about homosexuality tbh theres infinitely more important maters to discuss

revie was on this morning and his show is on tomoz - looks like its going to be interesting.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by coffee

Most middle aged people in general (no matter muslim, atheist, white or black) think there is something 'off' with being gay. You can see in their facial expressions how sick it makes them feel even if they don't actually give an opinion on it. It's just how they were brought up and it's their own laziness that stops them from actually educating themselves. Sadly they will live ignorant and die ignorant.

I don't know about 'Middle-Aged', but if this is about the 'older generation' being at fault - then nothing could be further from the truth.

As with 'Ban The Bomb' and Racial Prejudice, it was the enlightened 'young things' of the 60' and 70's who marched and protested and petitioned to CHANGE the prevailing prejudices of the status quo.

Those same radical young things are the 60 to 70 year olds now.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I don't know why everyone is so sceptical of the poll, it was carried out by ICM, one of the leading pollsters who enforce very rigorous checks and practices to try and make their polls as accurate and representative as possible, they don't have any agendas to push

Yes - It is truly mystifying how often on here the 'messenger' is 'shot' because the message does not align with the recepient's ideology.

Perfectly impartial and honest polls are dismissed as 'rigged', perfectly factual newspaper articles are branded biased lies, and perfectly honest TV documentaries are rejected as propaganda - but only WHEN the conclusion or 'message' undermines the recepient's argument.

When the 'message' substantiates that argument, the very same sources are then quoted on here as Gospel.

[coffee]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Eh?

The thoughts of kissing, having sex with or being in a relationship with Elton John makes me feel sick.

Has nothing to do with my being perfectly happy for whoever wants to be with him to be with him.

Being sickened by some of the sexual preferences of other people is not the same thing as uneducated and homophobic.

I haven't read any of ur comments apart from this one I was replying to original post. Any middle aged person I know doesn't agree with homosexuality. Don't know your opinion on elton John so.... Lol