[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Jack_

There is nothing better about a format which rewards housemates for being men, attractive, saying nothing all series or a combination of these three it's completely counter-productive and the public ruin the show every year, at least under the US format you succeed based on merit and your own effort, not by virtue of having a penis

The public don't "ruin the show" by not choosing what you personally would choose? umm

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

The public don't "ruin the show" by not choosing what you personally would choose? umm

Considering you usually agree with my line of argument and favourites during on-season that's a little contradictory

I'm not about to get into this whole argument before BBUK has even begun because I'll have enough of it in the summer but yes they do. And yes people under our format are rewarded for saying nothing, being a man and being attractive, I don't see how that can be disputed? Just look at the stats and it tells you the story. It's counter-productive and based on no merit whatsoever, if you float through and never say a word and be a man you're either gonna make the final or win, at least in the US and Canada you earn your place and aren't just given it

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Considering you usually agree with my line of argument and favourites during on-season that's a little contradictory

I'm not about to get into this whole argument before BBUK has even begun because I'll have enough of it in the summer but yes they do. And yes people under our format are rewarded for saying nothing, being a man and being attractive, I don't see how that can be disputed? Just look at the stats and it tells you the story. It's counter-productive and based on no merit whatsoever, if you float through and never say a word and be a man you're either gonna make the final or win, at least in the US and Canada you earn your place and aren't just given it

How do you mean?

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

How do you mean?

You usually agree when I say 'we need to keep x because they're better for the show, y isn't contributing so they should go, why ruin the show' etc etc. Not all of the time but our favourites often align

What about the rest of my post?

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Considering you usually agree with my line of argument and favourites during on-season that's a little contradictory

I'm not about to get into this whole argument before BBUK has even begun because I'll have enough of it in the summer but yes they do. And yes people under our format are rewarded for saying nothing, being a man and being attractive, I don't see how that can be disputed? Just look at the stats and it tells you the story. It's counter-productive and based on no merit whatsoever, if you float through and never say a word and be a man you're either gonna make the final or win, at least in the US and Canada you earn your place and aren't just given it

That might be the case but that's how the british public likes it. If you change the show format and fill it with people the public are normally gunning to get out do you think it's gonna go down well? Plus the fact of there been no voting means people wont feel the need to watch live.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

That might be the case but that's how the british public likes it. If you change the show format and fill it with people the public are normally gunning to get out do you think it's gonna go down well? Plus the fact of there been no voting means people wont feel the need to watch live.

Getting rid of the public vote doesn't automatically mean that housemates viewers dislike are going to succeed, I mean if anything if you act up and be a twat you're asking to get put on the block by an HoH and then voted out anyway

Plus I'd argue that such housemates sticking around (if they even did) doesn't mean the public will ditch the show, I mean my argument usually is that we need to keep them for the benefit of the series, people love to hate housemates and ones that inspire hatred keep people talking about the show and actively rooting against them, that's better than a bunch of characters people are indifferent towards and don't care about. I often feel like I care more when I watch BBUS or Can, whether I'm rooting for or against someone. Like, BB15 US for all its racism and controversy was if nothing else gripping because you were longing for people to fail and get evicted, that kind of sentiment doesn't occur in the UK because it normally just happens anyway, it's too easy to succeed/fail

[Denver]

But the last 2 civilian series have been won by women

[LukeB]

I don't see the point in celebs vs cilvs .... We already have two celebrity big brothers a year which is more than enough ... It would not be civilian big brother if they did that.

Where with the bbusa format it would be civilian.. They should just keep the celebs format until summer cbb.

[bots]

It depends to be honest. If the rumours are true, i wouldn't know who any of the "celebs" were anyway, so it would be the equivalent of 2 civilian houses.

It could be quite interesting watching 2 separate groups of people being subjected to exactly the same conditions, so if one of them gets boring, they can always switch to the other. There is potential there I think for something interesting.

[Ashsleigh]

I wouldn't like the BBUS format, but I would quite like Big Brother to become more competitive and "gameshow" based and less about fame and what comes afterwards.

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by LukeB

If it's axed then that will be perfect

You could just not watch since you clearly loathe BBUK now.

Originally Posted by Ashley.

I wouldn't like the BBUS format, but I would quite like Big Brother to become more competitive and "gameshow" based and less about fame and what comes afterwards.

Yeah I agree with this completely.

[Jack_]

The premise of Big Brother has absolutely nothing to do with the public being 'entitled' to vote people out. The concept is that you film and watch a bunch of strangers live in an enclosed house for an extended period of time. How individual countries choose to operate their nominations and evictions is at their discretion.

In fact, in many ways the US format is more true to the 'social experiment' line people like to peddle. Them and the Canadian's still have 24/7 live feed (the watch aspect), we don't...now who's ~not~ really Big Brother? And plus, I'd argue that leaving the housemates to their own devices is far more pure than allowing the public to intervene every week, that's not natural at all

I love the premise of BB, which is to watch a bunch of strangers live in a house. Has nothing to do whether I get to evict them or not

[Jack_]

also I know it's not confirmed either way yet but if BBAU does come back doesn't the same argument apply to those who wouldn't mind or want us to adopt their format?

BBAU already exists so why would you want another?

[Ashsleigh]

Something you've got to understand though is that Britain is a completely different culture. Say the BBUS format does get implemented, how can we say that it'll be exactly the same? How can we say the housemates will act in the same way as Americans do?

The UK format is more practical for producers anyway. Public voting = profit.

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Ashley.

Something you've got to understand though is that Britain is a completely different culture. Say the BBUS format does get implemented, how can we say that it'll be exactly the same? How can we say the housemates will act in the same way as Americans do?

The UK format is more practical for producers anyway. Public voting = profit.

Most of our current RTV comes from being influenced by US RTV anyway though, Jersey Shore/Geordie Shore, The Hills/TOWIE, etc... so although it probably wouldn't be exactly the same, I don't think cultural differences would be too much of a factor.

Originally Posted by LukeB

It does need to get axed tbf, It's dead and nothing can save it. BBUSA won't save it but I prefer that format than the UK one. I would be down if they copied BBCAN which is the best BB around the world imo because they know how to do a big brother season.. we just need their producers

AND Arisa

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

AND Arisa

Yes Arisa

Emma can be co-host or takes Rylan's job

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Ashley.

Something you've got to understand though is that Britain is a completely different culture. Say the BBUS format does get implemented, how can we say that it'll be exactly the same? How can we say the housemates will act in the same way as Americans do?

They won't, and that'll make it even more brilliantly entertaining. None of them will have a clue what's going on and people will be nominated for personal reasons and the whole thing will be a gigantic mess I guarantee it'd be entertaining, in fact it's the kind of thing C5 strive for except not so convoluted so it's even more of a reason why they should go for it tbh

[Calderyon]

Neither.

Rather have the original format in it´s original format back, meaning housemates nominate two people up for eviction and then 2 or more with the most points are nominated. Public votes to save or evict one of them and either one or more of them will be evicted.

I already have BBUS and BBCAN for the other format to watch. No need for another one.

[Jordan.]

I'd rather have civillian vs celeb if it meant keeping to our format.

[Jake.]

I loved the start of BB13 so I'd rather a series of it than a load of celebs being the centre of attention

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by Jake.

I loved the start of BB13 so I'd rather a series of it than a load of celebs being the centre of attention

Yeah but that still wasn't the BBUS format, just BBUK with more gameplay involved (which I'd actually be very supportive of if they still kept regular UK style nominations / evictions).

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Jake.

I loved the start of BB13 so I'd rather a series of it than a load of celebs being the centre of attention

This is another reason why I would prefer the BBUSA because the celebs will get most of the air time and will be centre of attention and what do you know we have another Celebrity Big Brother on our hands.

[Jack_]

Most evictions under the US format are deserved. Sure, there's always twists and they'll negatively affect someone or there'll be a bit of Grodner's rigging, but for the most part if you're evicted under that system it's because you haven't played well enough and it's your own fault. That is far fairer than being evicted cause you're unlucky enough to be a woman or dare to speak in a series. It's also easier to stomach personally, if my favourite fails in BBUS or BBCanada I know they only have themselves to blame, but in BBUK it's usually because the public are just clueless and/or sexist, that's just irritating

I also don't think they get much outside contact in BBUS, the jury house exists for that very reason. Other than a weekly letter for the HoH and maybe a comp hosted by a celeb or alumni, it's a damn sight more protected than BBUK is

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Most evictions under the US format are deserved. Sure, there's always twists and they'll negatively affect someone or there'll be a bit of Grodner's rigging, but for the most part if you're evicted under that system it's because you haven't played well enough and it's your own fault. That is far fairer than being evicted cause you're unlucky enough to be a woman or dare to speak in a series. It's also easier to stomach personally, if my favourite fails in BBUS or BBCanada I know they only have themselves to blame, but in BBUK it's usually because the public are just clueless and/or sexist, that's just irritating

I also don't think they get much outside contact in BBUS, the jury house exists for that very reason. Other than a weekly letter for the HoH and maybe a comp hosted by a celeb or alumni, it's a damn sight more protected than BBUK is

Another reason why the public should get their voting powers taken away.

If you're a white male/white female then it's a walk in a park but if you're a POC woman then it's a different story, All it takes is for them to be loud for 1 second then boom they get evicted and they go out to the chavs shouting OFF OFF OFF who are ya..

[Tregard]

For what it's worth, I would love to see the UK at least try out the North American format. They would be fighting an uphill battle of trying to convince people who currently dislike the show it's a different show, whilst also trying to keep hold of those who watch the show as is (probably couldn't pull that off), but there are definite benefits to the US format.

For one, you'd be a lot more likely to get smarter, more interesting players for a US format after it was established than the crop we're used to. The last few years have been rife with people there to play up to the cameras, develop a TV career etc. Just the most bland lowest-common-denominator swill that turns the entire show into a media circus, leading to a vicious cycle of getting more and more extreme "says it like it is me" personalities (See: Helen). BBUS format could, on the one hand, lead to a group of cold, strategic people sitting in a house quietly plotting against one another, but with proper casting, treating Big Brother like a gameshow again would provide us with fun contestants instead of attention seeking media trainees.

I get that people have problems with a pure US format, I don't think it would fly very well if it was a complete immediate switch. What I think would work better is if they took some elements of it whilst retaining the important parts of the UK show (i.e. The Phone Vote). Previous attempts such as BB11's Save & Replace, BB9's Head of House and BB15's baffling housemate-chosen evictions were all completely the wrong way about it. The new series could have HOH tasks, allowing the HOH to choose 3 HMs for eviction. POV would be able to switch one out, and there would be a HM vote save one of those 3 after POV, leaving the public to vote to evict between the two remaining.

That's just one route they could take (admittedly, one which would lead to quite a messy conclusion in Final 4), the UK version needs some *consistent* shake-ups and BBUS is a framework that's proven to work.