[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by LukeB

Yes it would still be big brother, the same things happen in every big brother people nominate and someone gets evicted but in different ways. The uk format right now is a disgrace and needs repairing but they will never go back to what it was. Bbusa format isn't going to harm a dead show anyway it will just be a better format.

People nominate and get eliminated in Hell's Kitchen, doesn't make it Big Brother.

If they want to change it up but still retain the bare bones of what makes it BBUK, they should adopt the AU voting format rather than the US one.

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Adam.

It's really not!

The whole show is based on 'WHO GOES YOU DECIDE' taking away that right from the public after 16 years will see the show struggle to get 500k viewers and will be axed instantly majority of the BBUK fans love it for that reason and will not tolerate a change

If it's axed then that will be perfect

[Ashley.]

I wouldn't like the BBUS format, but I would quite like Big Brother to become more competitive and "gameshow" based and less about fame and what comes afterwards.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by LukeB

If it's axed then that will be perfect

If you want it axed why the hell do you watch it and make a big fuss about it?

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by LukeB

If it's axed then that will be perfect

You could just not watch since you clearly loathe BBUK now.

Originally Posted by Ashley.

I wouldn't like the BBUS format, but I would quite like Big Brother to become more competitive and "gameshow" based and less about fame and what comes afterwards.

Yeah I agree with this completely.

[Jack_]

The premise of Big Brother has absolutely nothing to do with the public being 'entitled' to vote people out. The concept is that you film and watch a bunch of strangers live in an enclosed house for an extended period of time. How individual countries choose to operate their nominations and evictions is at their discretion.

In fact, in many ways the US format is more true to the 'social experiment' line people like to peddle. Them and the Canadian's still have 24/7 live feed (the watch aspect), we don't...now who's ~not~ really Big Brother? And plus, I'd argue that leaving the housemates to their own devices is far more pure than allowing the public to intervene every week, that's not natural at all

I love the premise of BB, which is to watch a bunch of strangers live in a house. Has nothing to do whether I get to evict them or not

[Jack_]

also I know it's not confirmed either way yet but if BBAU does come back doesn't the same argument apply to those who wouldn't mind or want us to adopt their format?

BBAU already exists so why would you want another?

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

People nominate and get eliminated in Hell's Kitchen, doesn't make it Big Brother.

If they want to change it up but still retain the bare bones of what makes it BBUK, they should adopt the AU voting format rather than the US one.

That's completly different.. They are not cut off from the outside world and gordan makes all the decisions.

That will still be crap though, that format will still get rid of the big characters even more. Take a look at Zoe.. She got evicted over a silly tesco comment... Thats how you know the uk format is horrible..

Right now bbuk is NOT big brother, it's towie/GS etc living in a house with loads of influence by producers and gets information from the outside world.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by LukeB

That's completly different.. They are not cut off from the outside world and gordan makes all the decisions.

That will still be crap though, that format will still get rid of the big characters even more. Take a look at Zoe.. She got evicted over a silly tesco comment... Thats how you know the uk format is horrible..

Right now bbuk is NOT big brother, it's towie/GS etc living in a house with loads of influence by producers and gets information from the outside world.

I can't take this seriously when you claim Zoe was a big character

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by LukeB

If it's axed then that will be perfect

Not Luke promoting the BBUS format in order to sabotage the show and get it axed MOLE!!!

[Ashley.]

Something you've got to understand though is that Britain is a completely different culture. Say the BBUS format does get implemented, how can we say that it'll be exactly the same? How can we say the housemates will act in the same way as Americans do?

The UK format is more practical for producers anyway. Public voting = profit.

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Adam.

I can't take this seriously when you claim Zoe was a big character

I didn't actually say she WAS a big character it was an example of the PATHETIC things you can get evicted over

[Calderyon]

Neither.

Rather have the original format in it´s original format back, meaning housemates nominate two people up for eviction and then 2 or more with the most points are nominated. Public votes to save or evict one of them and either one or more of them will be evicted.

I already have BBUS and BBCAN for the other format to watch. No need for another one.

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

Not Luke promoting the BBUS format in order to sabotage the show and get it axed MOLE!!!

It does need to get axed tbf, It's dead and nothing can save it. BBUSA won't save it but I prefer that format than the UK one. I would be down if they copied BBCAN which is the best BB around the world imo because they know how to do a big brother season.. we just need their producers

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Ashley.

Something you've got to understand though is that Britain is a completely different culture. Say the BBUS format does get implemented, how can we say that it'll be exactly the same? How can we say the housemates will act in the same way as Americans do?

The UK format is more practical for producers anyway. Public voting = profit.

Most of our current RTV comes from being influenced by US RTV anyway though, Jersey Shore/Geordie Shore, The Hills/TOWIE, etc... so although it probably wouldn't be exactly the same, I don't think cultural differences would be too much of a factor.

Originally Posted by LukeB

It does need to get axed tbf, It's dead and nothing can save it. BBUSA won't save it but I prefer that format than the UK one. I would be down if they copied BBCAN which is the best BB around the world imo because they know how to do a big brother season.. we just need their producers

AND Arisa

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

AND Arisa

Yes Arisa

Emma can be co-host or takes Rylan's job

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by Jack_

also I know it's not confirmed either way yet but if BBAU does come back doesn't the same argument apply to those who wouldn't mind or want us to adopt their format?

BBAU already exists so why would you want another?

There's nothing currently indicating BBAU is coming back so no, it doesn't exist as a currently ongoing show.

Another reason that comparison doesn't work is because becoming more like BBAU wouldn't be such a radical alteration to the format that adopting the BBUS format would, it wouldn't be much of a change from the basics of BBUK at all.

Originally Posted by LukeB

That's completly different.. They are not cut off from the outside world and gordan makes all the decisions.

Not all. As I said, there are nomination votes. Gordon choosing who goes is just another difference in how they leave. That's my point, just saying "they nominate and get evicted but just in a different way" doesn't mean anything really.

Originally Posted by LukeB

That will still be crap though, that format will still get rid of thr big characters even more. Take a look a Zoe.. She got evicted over a silly tesco comment... Thats how you know the uk format is horrible..

A comment that insulted a whole group of people for how they make a living, people exaggerate how unfair the reaction to that was.

And I'm not sure of what point you're making. Are you saying the US format is immune to unjust evictions? Because I'd beg to differ there.

Originally Posted by LukeB

Right now bbuk is NOT big brother, it's towie/GS etc living in a house with loads of influence by producers and gets information from the outside world.

Yes, BBUK is crap right now. They should fix that and return it to what people loved about it in the first place, I don't see the need to change it even more.

And they get information from the outside in BBUS too.

But we're not going to agree so we'll just have to wait and see.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Ashley.

Something you've got to understand though is that Britain is a completely different culture. Say the BBUS format does get implemented, how can we say that it'll be exactly the same? How can we say the housemates will act in the same way as Americans do?

They won't, and that'll make it even more brilliantly entertaining. None of them will have a clue what's going on and people will be nominated for personal reasons and the whole thing will be a gigantic mess I guarantee it'd be entertaining, in fact it's the kind of thing C5 strive for except not so convoluted so it's even more of a reason why they should go for it tbh

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

There is nothing better about a format which rewards housemates for being men, attractive, saying nothing all series or a combination of these three it's completely counter-productive and the public ruin the show every year, at least under the US format you succeed based on merit and your own effort, not by virtue of having a penis

The public don't "ruin the show" by not choosing what you personally would choose? umm

[Jordan.]

I'd rather have civillian vs celeb if it meant keeping to our format.

[Jake.]

I loved the start of BB13 so I'd rather a series of it than a load of celebs being the centre of attention

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by Jake.

I loved the start of BB13 so I'd rather a series of it than a load of celebs being the centre of attention

Yeah but that still wasn't the BBUS format, just BBUK with more gameplay involved (which I'd actually be very supportive of if they still kept regular UK style nominations / evictions).

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

The public don't "ruin the show" by not choosing what you personally would choose? umm

Considering you usually agree with my line of argument and favourites during on-season that's a little contradictory

I'm not about to get into this whole argument before BBUK has even begun because I'll have enough of it in the summer but yes they do. And yes people under our format are rewarded for saying nothing, being a man and being attractive, I don't see how that can be disputed? Just look at the stats and it tells you the story. It's counter-productive and based on no merit whatsoever, if you float through and never say a word and be a man you're either gonna make the final or win, at least in the US and Canada you earn your place and aren't just given it

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Considering you usually agree with my line of argument and favourites during on-season that's a little contradictory

I'm not about to get into this whole argument before BBUK has even begun because I'll have enough of it in the summer but yes they do. And yes people under our format are rewarded for saying nothing, being a man and being attractive, I don't see how that can be disputed? Just look at the stats and it tells you the story. It's counter-productive and based on no merit whatsoever, if you float through and never say a word and be a man you're either gonna make the final or win, at least in the US and Canada you earn your place and aren't just given it

How do you mean?

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

How do you mean?

You usually agree when I say 'we need to keep x because they're better for the show, y isn't contributing so they should go, why ruin the show' etc etc. Not all of the time but our favourites often align

What about the rest of my post?