[bots]

Well, i've actually been hit by a woman and got a fractured skull, and I actually kept my hands behind my back so that i wouldn't hit her. I just removed myself from the situation as soon as possible because the moment a man hits back, no matter the circumstances, it will always be assumed that he was the main protagonist.

[Northern Monkey]

I find that what Chris Rock said is very true.As a man you know that there are certain things you don't say to another man because it's gonna piss him right off and start some ****.You will be fighting.
Women though,They will unleash a barage of abuse at you because they know(or think)there won't be any consequences.Things like as Chris Rock said "You little dick mother****er,Yo momma was bitch" etc.As a man go and say that to another man and expect to be unleashed upon.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Do you think that in any circumstance it would be right for a man to thump a women in the face?

The example I am thinking about is if a woman hit a man for some reason?

If someone looks at her lustfully or her face isn't covered up then yes it's ok to hit a woman, isn't it?

[Alf]

Most men are women nowadays.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Alf

Most men are women nowadays.

How so?

[arista]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

How so?

He is Talking about the Younger men
that are to soft

[Lostie!]

Okay, let's assume you're being serious LT, just for the hell of it...

My pov doesn't involve victim-blaming just because the victim happens to be a male and saying actively supporting a woman abusing a man is a "normal reaction", so I'm perfectly content to believe my viewpoint is the "right" one, since the other is a horribly skewed and dangerous one to hold.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

Okay, let's assume you're being serious LT, just for the hell of it...

My pov doesn't involve victim-blaming just because the victim happens to be a male and saying actively supporting a woman abusing a man is a "normal reaction", so I'm perfectly content to believe my viewpoint is the "right" one, since the other is a horribly skewed and dangerous one to hold.

No, like all the people there they just thought the man was in no danger and thus did not get involved, no mystery there

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

No, like all the people there they just thought the man was in no danger and thus did not get involved, no mystery there

Yeah, they thought he was in no danger because he was a man and she was a woman. I'm sure the same has been said about real male victims who ended up being killed.

And a good few of them actually said they assumed he deserved it, which is reprehensible and I have no respect for anyone who operates with that train of thought.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

Yeah, they thought he was in no danger because he was a man and she was a woman. I'm sure the same has been said about real male victims who ended up being killed.

And a good few of them actually said they assumed he deserved it, which is reprehensible and I have no respect for anyone who operates with that train of thought.

"about real male victims who ended up being killed."


So have you an example of that in a similar situation in a park with 2 people of the same build or are you just using another unrelated unqualified example to somehow make your argument?

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

"about real male victims who ended up being killed."


So have you an example of that in a similar situation in a park with 2 people of the same build or are you just using another unrelated unqualified example to somehow make your argument?

Unrelated? You harp on about sports and holding doors open and my point actually focused on violence is unrelated?

You keep living in your nice little fantasy world, I sincerely hope you're never in the situation you seem so adamant on brushing off as unimportant.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

Okay, let's assume you're being serious LT, just for the hell of it...

My pov doesn't involve victim-blaming just because the victim happens to be a male and saying actively supporting a woman abusing a man is a "normal reaction", so I'm perfectly content to believe my viewpoint is the "right" one, since the other is a horribly skewed and dangerous one to hold.

[Ashley.]

I disagree with men hitting women, but I also disagree with men not being able to hit back. I couldn't possibly count on one hand the number of occasions in clubs or bars where I've witness a women using the ridiculous "I'm a girl" excuse, when they're being just as aggressive as the man.

Of course, I don't think anybody should resort to violence at all. But I'm not having one rule for one, and a different rule for another. If we're allowed to defend ourselves, then so can men in my books?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Ashley.

I disagree with men hitting women, but I also disagree with men not being able to hit back. I couldn't possibly count on one hand the number of occasions in clubs or bars where I've witness a women using the ridiculous "I'm a girl" excuse, when they're being just as aggressive as the man.

Of course, I don't think anybody should resort to violence at all. But I'm not having one rule for one, and a different rule for another. If we're allowed to defend ourselves, then so can men in my books?

so you think that there should be no men and womens sports then as well, for example?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

so you think that there should be no men and womens sports then as well, for example?

Hitting someone is against the law, sports are not. Don't break the law and you won't get hurt

[Ashley.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Hitting someone is against the law, sports are not. Don't break the law and you won't get hurt

Couldn't have put it better myself.

[Josy]

No one should be thumping anyone but if you give it out you better be prepared to take it back whoever you are.

[user104658]

A partner etc. no way, unless they were threatening my life or serious injury (e.g. coming at me with a knife or another weapon). For "randoms" - nobody should ever hit anyone else without seriouly good reason. Not "provocation", "wnding up" or whatever... no one should turn to violence unless it's to physically defend themselves or others who, again, are at real risk of being killed or seriously injured. In that case, basically use whatever force is necessary to stop an attacker. Male or female really doesn't matter.

Actually thinking about it there is no gender distinction at all, then. Men should only hit women in extreme and defensive circumstances - but likewise, men should only hit other men in those circumstances .

Or mutually agreed sports, obvz.

[smudgie]

No simple answer.

In general I would say don't hit anyone unless you are prepared for retaliation, gender has nothing to do with it.
There was a lot of fighting going on in my youth, just the way it was.
I hit a lad first fully expecting to get whacked back but one can only take so much provocation.
I also jumped on an ex that thought it would be fun to break my nose.
For all that, I taught my kids that to walk away from trouble makes you the better person, stand up for yourself but never pick on someone weaker than you.

[Liberty4eva]

This video sums up what is wrong with some corners of the media on this issue. A man is being attacked relentlessly by a woman and he is supposed to just sit back and take it? That was sort of the message I got while watching it. I don't believe any woman should be hit unless she herself is the aggressure.

Youtube video

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

This video sums up what is wrong with some corners of the media on this issue. A man is being attacked relentlessly by a woman and he is supposed to just sit back and take it? That was sort of the message I got while watching it. I don't believe any woman should be hit unless she herself is the aggressure.

Youtube video

That bus attendant looked to have handled that very calmly.He did'nt hit her he just tapped her legs to put her down and restrain her.I mean i've seen bouncers carry people out of clubs after they've knocked them clean out.People are ridiculous.Nobody was just gonna stand there and let the woman punch them and swing objects at them.That was definitely reasonable force.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

That bus attendant looked to have handled that very calmly.He did'nt hit her he just tapped her legs to put her down and restrain her.I mean i've seen bouncers carry people out of clubs after they've knocked them clean out.People are ridiculous.Nobody was just gonna stand there and let the woman punch them and swing objects at them.That was definitely reasonable force.

In two minds about this. Obviously she's... err... a "special" sort of lady to be physically attacking people while her kids watch on, and I agree that the staff should have been well within their rights to restrain her...

However... sweeping someone's legs from behind and pushing them backwards onto concrete could legitimately, and easily, cause a serious head injury or death.

He's like 4 times her size and there are multiple members of staff present, they could quite easily have safely restrained her until police arrived. I suppose maybe the guy doesn't know how badly that could have gone, but in my opinion, it was beyond reasonable force. I also think it was hugely unprofessional, as I strongly suspect he did it because she was pissing him off and not because he felt in any way at genuine risk and in need of defending himself.

(Again this isn't a gender issue, I'd be saying the same if it was a [...small...] man in the video)

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

In two minds about this. Obviously she's... err... a "special" sort of lady to be physically attacking people while her kids watch on, and I agree that the staff should have been well within their rights to restrain her...

However... sweeping someone's legs from behind and pushing them backwards onto concrete could legitimately, and easily, cause a serious head injury or death.

He's like 4 times her size and there are multiple members of staff present, they could quite easily have safely restrained her until police arrived. I suppose maybe the guy doesn't know how badly that could have gone, but in my opinion, it was beyond reasonable force. I also think it was hugely unprofessional, as I strongly suspect he did it because she was pissing him off and not because he felt in any way at genuine risk and in need of defending himself.

(Again this isn't a gender issue, I'd be saying the same if it was a [...small...] man in the video)

I doubt they are trained to do that so although I agree the way he restrained her could have caused serious injury, I would sympahise more with him than her, if she had prosecuted.

I think there are alot of aggressive woman around, like this woman, and they really need to make sure they keep their hands to themselves, Not every man is a 'gentleman' and would treat them gently.

[Liberty4eva]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

In two minds about this. Obviously she's... err... a "special" sort of lady to be physically attacking people while her kids watch on, and I agree that the staff should have been well within their rights to restrain her...

However... sweeping someone's legs from behind and pushing them backwards onto concrete could legitimately, and easily, cause a serious head injury or death.

He's like 4 times her size and there are multiple members of staff present, they could quite easily have safely restrained her until police arrived. I suppose maybe the guy doesn't know how badly that could have gone, but in my opinion, it was beyond reasonable force. I also think it was hugely unprofessional, as I strongly suspect he did it because she was pissing him off and not because he felt in any way at genuine risk and in need of defending himself.

(Again this isn't a gender issue, I'd be saying the same if it was a [...small...] man in the video)

I think it is just as much a question about dignity as it is about whether or not force was reasonable. What the woman was doing was unreasonable and incredibly disrespectful. I'm a big guy myself and if someone smaller than me started hitting me, I can tell you that I would respond. I doubt I would pound her to the ground but it would be something.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

I think it is just as much a question about dignity as it is about whether or not force was reasonable. What the woman was doing was unreasonable. I'm a big guy myself and if someone smaller than me started hitting me, I can tell you that I would respond. I doubt I would pound her to the ground but it would be something.

Yeah like I said it's not about the fact that he responds, so much as the potential outcome, which maybe he wasn't aware of. A blow to the back of the head like that could cause serious damage instantly, and then it's over for everyone, including him, as he'd probably be up for manslaughter.

If he'd grabbed her arms and pinned her etc. that would have been quite a reasonable response but doing something that could so easily kill, not so much. I guess look at it this way: would you consider his response to the situation reasonable or justifiable if he'd grabbed her and pushed her in front of a moving bus?