[Ninastar]

I'm sorry but how many of you are actually female? You have no place to say whether a female should feel comfortable going to the toilet with men about. Christ, no one is bloody saying that all men are rapists. The whole point is whether you'd feel comfortable or not. People can't help it if they aren't happy with it. It's absolutely ridiculous and downright condescending to tell people they should just share toilets because 'nothing is going to happen.'

[T*]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

a knife and a gun

what on earth are you on about?

Are you now telling Jack to try and take on a woman with a deadly weapon so he can feel that he is not sexist?

No, it's how stupid YOU were being.
You literally said to Jack if a woman was assaulting him to just walk away rather than defend himself as the attacker is a woman

That is plain ludicrous.

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Tom*

This surely means that no-one is going to be happy though?
Raped woman feel uncomfortable around men in bathrooms
Transgender people feel uuncomfortable having to choose between the two in case the reaction is bad in both cases
it's a lose lose
Surely if it was for the greater good of anyone that could be effected then it would just result in confusion

No one is ever going to be happy with anything. That's life.

I don't agree with having only gender neutral bathrooms so that people have a choice. I think that's just wrong. In a perfect world we could have all three, but I don't see that ever happening.

[Cal.]

Oh so now females are the only people who are allowed opinions on gender neutral toilets

[Northern Monkey]

I don't see anything wrong with gender neutral toilets but one issue could arise.
I assume there would be no urinals?So what about drunk men who pee on the seat?Women won't like that.Unless there's a section with a small wall in there with urinals.So really a non neutral mens section.
Also what about used tampons on the floor?Men won't like that.Not massive issues but people won't like them too much.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Tom*

No, it's how stupid YOU were being.
You literally said to Jack if a woman was assaulting him to just walk away rather than defend himself as the attacker is a woman

That is plain ludicrous.

That is correct, walk away and avoid the conflict. DO not hit her, avoid her.

The situation is ridiculous as its never ever likely to happen unless you are knocking about with feral women or hanging about citu centres past midnight looking for trouble so its not an issue you need worry about

[Greg!]

Originally Posted by Tom*

This surely means that no-one is going to be happy though?
Raped woman feel uncomfortable around men in bathrooms
Transgender people feel uuncomfortable having to choose between the two in case the reaction is bad in both cases
it's a lose lose

Gender neutral bathrooms would solve a lot of problems but sadly you can't keep every single person happy all of the time

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Greg!

Gender neutral bathrooms would solve a lot of problems but sadly you can't keep every single person happy all of the time

what problems would they solve?

[T*]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

No one is ever going to be happy with anything. That's life.

I don't agree with having only gender neutral bathrooms so that people have a choice. I think that's just wrong. In a perfect world we could have all three, but I don't see that ever happening.

Exactly my point
I think that public places should cater to gender neutral though, it'd be easier making them single-person bathrooms though

Originally Posted by Who Is She?

Oh so now females are the only people who are allowed opinions on gender neutral toilets

I don't think that's what she meant...

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Who Is She?

Oh so now females are the only people who are allowed opinions on gender neutral toilets

christ almighty its like talking to a brick wall

[T*]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

what problems would they solve?

From wikipedia

Gender-neutral bathrooms benefit transgender populations and other people who exist outside of the gender binary; people with disabilities, the elderly, and anyone else who may require the assistance of someone of another gender; and parents who may wish to accompany their children to the washroom or toilet facility.[5][6][7]

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

christ almighty its like talking to a brick wall

and in the old days at football matches thats all you got for a toilet

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

Yeah, anyone can get attacked anywhere, that's not the point. I'm pretty sure a person who has been raped by a male or a female, isnt going to feel comfortable going to the toilets with that gender in there too. I'm pretty sure they aren't going to think 'ah well its okay cause i can get raped anywhere, anyway', they're going to do anything they can to try and avoid contact with that gender, and gender neutral toilets are the last place they'd want to go.

LT makes a good point about drunk men at football games and the likes. I'd hate the thought of having to share a bathroom with drunk men. I might be labelled sexist, but I don't care. People shouldnt have to explain why they would feel uncomfortable with it. It doesnt make them sexist or transphobic. Some people will just never be comfortable with it and we should hate on them for it.

So then like Greg said, what are men who've been raped by other men supposed to do? Or women raped by women? Must they use the toilet assigned to their gender and we'll just forget about the fact they were raped because oh well they're the minority? I'm pretty sure a rape victim will definitely be thinking they can be raped anywhere actually, I'm pretty sure it would be playing on their mind for most of their life, toilet, alleyway, park, road, house, wherever. Do we start segregating the sexes in all of these places too? And again what about those who were raped by a member of the same sex? How do you resolve that problem?

You would be sharing a bathroom with drunk men and women, you wouldn't be the only woman alone. Men aren't all predatory rapists or thugs waiting to attack you, and if you were in a bathroom with multiple men and multiple women the chances of anything happening to anyone fall dramatically.

You are jumping to conclusions in saying anyone's been labelled sexist or transphobic, until someone makes any comments of that ilk they won't be. The only reason people feel uncomfortable with it is because they've been brought up using the divided system and the concept of sharing bathrooms is an alien one, that's all. It doesn't mean it's a terrible idea, just that you're not used to it. But the pros of mixing bathrooms universally far outweigh the 'well I don't want to have a piss with a bunch of dirty men!' argument.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Tom*

From wikipedia

so in other words no one as they are all crapola reasons and certainly would never pass a planning permission

[Greg!]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

what problems would they solve?

-The joke of gender segregation in 2016
-Transgender people would not have to make the choice of which bathroom to use
-Allows young kids to be looked after by their parents in the toilet without their parent feeling uncomfortable being in a toilet for another gender

To name a few

[Greg!]

Originally Posted by Jack_

So then like Greg said, what are men who've been raped by other men supposed to do? Or women raped by women? Must they use the toilet assigned to their gender and we'll just forget about the fact they were raped because oh well they're the minority? I'm pretty sure a rape victim will definitely be thinking they can be raped anywhere actually, I'm pretty sure it would be playing on their mind for most of their life, toilet, alleyway, park, road, house, wherever. Do we start segregating the sexes in all of these places too? And again what about those who were raped by a member of the same sex? How do you resolve that problem?

You would be sharing a bathroom with drunk men and women, you wouldn't be the only woman alone. Men aren't all predatory rapists or thugs waiting to attack you, and if you were in a bathroom with multiple men and multiple women the chances of anything happening to anyone fall dramatically.

You are jumping to conclusions in saying anyone's been labelled sexist or transphobic, until someone makes any comments of that ilk they won't be. The only reason people feel uncomfortable with it is because they've been brought up using the divided system and the concept of sharing bathrooms is an alien one, that's all. It doesn't mean it's a terrible idea, just that you're not used to it. But the pros of mixing bathrooms universally far outweigh the 'well I don't want to have a piss with a bunch of dirty men!' argument.

You've expressed my opinion perfectly

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Greg!

-The joke of gender segregation in 2016
-Transgender people would not have to make the choice of which bathroom to use
-Allows young kids to be looked after by their parents in the toilet without their parent feeling uncomfortable being in a toilet for another gender

To name a few

- Increases the likelihood of more people being around, in turn bringing the likelihood of someone (male or female) being attacked down

- There's literally no logical reason to separate bathrooms based on gender, it's pointlessly divisive. They exist to go to the ****ing toilet in, scrap urinals and just have cubical and who gives a **** who's using the one next to you?

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Jack_

So then like Greg said, what are men who've been raped by other men supposed to do? Or women raped by women? Must they use the toilet assigned to their gender and we'll just forget about the fact they were raped because oh well they're the minority? I'm pretty sure a rape victim will definitely be thinking they can be raped anywhere actually, I'm pretty sure it would be playing on their mind for most of their life, toilet, alleyway, park, road, house, wherever. Do we start segregating the sexes in all of these places too? And again what about those who were raped by a member of the same sex? How do you resolve that problem?

You would be sharing a bathroom with drunk men and women, you wouldn't be the only woman alone. Men aren't all predatory rapists or thugs waiting to attack you, and if you were in a bathroom with multiple men and multiple women the chances of anything happening to anyone fall dramatically.

You are jumping to conclusions in saying anyone's been labelled sexist or transphobic, until someone makes any comments of that ilk they won't be. The only reason people feel uncomfortable with it is because they've been brought up using the divided system and the concept of sharing bathrooms is an alien one, that's all. It doesn't mean it's a terrible idea, just that you're not used to it. But the pros of mixing bathrooms universally far outweigh the 'well I don't want to have a piss with a bunch of dirty men!' argument.

You cant cater to everyone. There's always going to be a majority, and sadly the majority of people that rape are men, And the majority of people that are raped are women. It's not that hard to realise that women are more likely to be raped by men. I just imagine that this will be a lot more likely if drunk men and women are sharing the same bathrooms.

In a happy world, there should be male/female and gender neutral toilets. I just have the opinion that its wrong to have only gender neutral toilets and nothing is going to change that.

[Tom4784]

Doesn't bother me in the slightest.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

You cant cater to everyone. There's always going to be a majority, and sadly the majority of people that rape are men, And the majority of people that are raped are women. It's not that hard to realise that women are more likely to be raped by men. I just imagine that this will be a lot more likely if drunk men and women are sharing the same bathrooms.

In a happy world, there should be male/female and gender neutral toilets. I just have the opinion that its wrong to have only gender neutral toilets and nothing is going to change that.

How would it be more likely? As it is, if a man wants to rape a woman, he can enter a females only bathroom and attack one with absolutely no other man (in the eyes of LT I'm sure because women wouldn't be strong enough) around to stop him. If you merge the bathrooms, there will be more men and more women in them almost all of the time, therefore making it harder for any man or woman to attack any other man or woman.

I wouldn't be opposed to having the option of the three but it's not available in most places and really, it still doesn't solve all of the other problems that have been listed in this thread either

[Drew.]

This seems like such a pointless debate over something that doesn't need fixing. I've been to plenty of events where people drink a lot/theres groups of men just out to cause trouble to know that them being given the chance to roam free around a place where a woman needs privacy is a recipe for disaster. It's easy to say "you wouldn't be alone" but that doesn't matter, even in a group women are sill vulnerable. Anyway like i said this discussion just seems pointless, theres no need for gender neutral toilets and more harm than good would come from them anyway

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Jack_

How would it be more likely? As it is, if a man wants to rape a woman, he can enter a females only bathroom and attack one with absolutely no other man (in the eyes of LT I'm sure because women wouldn't be strong enough) around to stop him. If you merge the bathrooms, there will be more men and more women in them almost all of the time, therefore making it harder for any man or woman to attack any other man or woman.

I wouldn't be opposed to having the option of the three but it's not available in most places and really, it still doesn't solve all of the other problems that have been listed in this thread either

I'm sorry, I'm not debating this any further. There's no point. Lets just agree to disagree.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Jack_

How would it be more likely? As it is, if a man wants to rape a woman, he can enter a females only bathroom and attack one with absolutely no other man (in the eyes of LT I'm sure because women wouldn't be strong enough) around to stop him. If you merge the bathrooms, there will be more men and more women in them almost all of the time, therefore making it harder for any man or woman to attack any other man or woman.

I wouldn't be opposed to having the option of the three but it's not available in most places and really, it still doesn't solve all of the other problems that have been listed in this thread either

For those hell bent on carrying out rape maybe. But a lot of rapists are very opportunistic and don't meticulously plan out their attack. I don't think its ridiculous to say that someone who otherwise wouldn't carry out an attack might end up doing so because they see an opportunity.

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by MTVN

For those hell bent on carrying out rape maybe. But a lot of rapists are very opportunistic and don't meticulously plan out their attack. I don't think its ridiculous to say that someone who otherwise wouldn't carry out an attack might end up doing so because they see an opportunity.

Exactly. Thank you.

[MTVN]

Also having urinals taken out of toilets would be a terrible thing, us men don't want to spend ages in queues like women have to