[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I read his mother was pretty hard on him and a very volatile woman and according to his father the children were not spoilt http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandst...-family-values

And a source to his wifes violence http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime...-a3173831.html

I also had a similar childhood and I can see the signs. It still affects me today and I believe it's the reason my brother got addicted to drugs.

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I read his mother was pretty hard on him and a very volatile woman and according to his father the children were not spoilt http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandst...-family-values

And a source to his wifes violence http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime...-a3173831.html

His father may have spent money on his kids to overcompensate. He probably was so busy he wasn't there for them when they needed a father.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

His father may have spent money on his kids to overcompensate. He probably was so busy he wasn't there for them when they needed a father.

Marco himself said on BB that he loves his dad to bits and that he was a great father,so who knows,I would imagine his dad not being around as much as he would have liked.

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Marco himself said on BB that he loves his dad to bits and that he was a great father,so who knows,I would imagine his dad not being around as much as he would have liked.

I think his dad caring for him it's the only saving grace. Imagine if both parents were like his mum.

[hot2go]

Garfie....didn't quote full message cause it's a biggy....only reason....I agree with you that it's better to find positives out of trauma but I don't think " Life happens but you choose how you respond " ....thats was I see as a generalisation ....I honestly don't think some people can help how they respond and only with maturity and with professional help does that happen ....a lot of people find a way out of their demons but not so often by the age of 20....the same experience can happen to two people but they each have they own personality strengths and weaknesses and they each have different backgrounds and influences...what one person can deal with and move on from another cant and vice versa.....some people moved on from the Tsunami and felt they had been lucky...others needed years of help and still have nightmares.....I don't think its as simple as choice but for some it can be.

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by hot2go

Garfie....didn't quote full message cause it's a biggy....only reason....I agree with you that it's better to find positives out of trauma but I don't think " Life happens but you choose how you respond " ....thats was I see as a generalisation ....I honestly don't think some people can help how they respond and only with maturity and with professional help does that happen ....a lot of people find a way out of their demons but not so often by the age of 20....the same experience can happen to two people but they each have they own personality strengths and weaknesses and they each have different backgrounds and influences...what one person can deal with and move on from another cant and vice versa.....some people moved on from the Tsunami and felt they had been lucky...others needed years of help and still have nightmares.....I don't think its as simple as choice but for some it can be.

Thanks for this, Hot2go.

I totally agree with so much of what you have said here- you are right that only with maturity and professional help do many people escape their demons, and I think some people never do and, sadly, can be affected for a life time. You're also right when you say that two people can have the same experience but their own personality strengths and weaknesses, and their influences, affect how easy or hard it is for them to deal with them and move on. I absolutely empathise in these situations.

I think the point I was trying to get across (and it might be I didn't do this clearly) is regarding the difference between effect and response-, and between understanding someone's behaviour and excusing it.

Therefore, (and this might be where we differ) although I agree you can't choose how experiences affect you, I believe you do make decisions about the actions you take as a result. That is something I still stand by. It is (in my view) never right to direct it out at others, and I believe that, at Marco's age, you do know what is morally right or wrong; at 20 I also believe you are old enough to take responsibility for your actions, even if you are affected by bad experiences.

I'm exhausted by all this now, and all because of Marco!!

[Withano]

How much are the others being payed to be there? Not more than his shoes.

[hot2go]

I don't look at his bahaviour and see spoilt, I see insecure.....I see the same in Natalie too.

[camertone]

is he the one with ugly tattoos on his face?

[arista]

Originally Posted by camertone

is he the one with ugly tattoos on his face?

Yes

[arista]

Terrible Temper

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Originally Posted by arista

Terrible Temper

He reminds me of my nephew a bit. Says terrible things when he's angry, but when he calms down he's fine

[Clootie Dumpling]

It annoys me when people plead the 'affluenza' defence on his behalf.

[Gusto Brunt]

Where's the father in all this?

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Originally Posted by Gusto Brunt

Where's the father in all this?

I don't think he was there for him when he needed him. Unfortunately he has been brought up by his mum, who was very volatile and you can tell it has screwed him up

[Lostie!]

I'd find it impossible to bond in any way with someone like Marco. No appreciation for anything he has and completely ignorant to the real world.

The way he and Chelsea go on honestly infuriates me, pair of shallow pricks.

[wendywillow]

it was all for attention, when he was the one every one was looking at jumping in the pool, dancng etc.he was fine, as soon as someone else entered the house and he had to start a scene. new rule: if you leave, youre out

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Originally Posted by hot2go

Just watched last nights show....seems a lot of fabricating of the truth on here regarding Marco and the threatening of the security guards....he simply twice repeated the words "don't touch me "...unless there are some clips not shown on last nights episode that other people are watching then I don't get it....how is that threatening the guards and worthy of being evicted ? Isn't that the exact words Huey said to Natalie in the same show ?

He was just angry. I doubt he was going to touch anyone. He has been fine until now. Except yesterday,
When he lost his temper.

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by hot2go

Just watched last nights show....seems a lot of fabricating of the truth on here regarding Marco and the threatening of the security guards....he simply twice repeated the words "don't touch me "...unless there are some clips not shown on last nights episode that other people are watching then I don't get it....how is that threatening the guards and worthy of being evicted ? Isn't that the exact words Huey said to Natalie in the same show ?

He said it as he and Chelsea were walking to the door. It was directed at BB. I can't remember the exact words but it was something about them leaving and if any security guards tried to stop them he would physically harm them.

[hot2go]

Originally Posted by Garfie

He said it as he and Chelsea were walking to the door. It was directed at BB. I can't remember the exact words but it was something about them leaving and if any security guards tried to stop them he would physically harm them.

Oh right....missed that....thanks for letting me know.i think he's all talk but he can't be saying things like that ....i think he may not last long