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Jack_ · 13-07-2016, 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Jordan.

It's just not realistic. The show has been this way for 16 years and taking away the publics ultimate power wont go down as well as you're assuming it will.

I've never said it would go down amazingly because I'm not deluded, but as I said to Troy, BBUK is on its last legs, the brink of another axe knowing C5, and they're constantly coming up with these messy new twists and meaningless themes to try and change up the show when there's a consistent and new one right in front of them that they could trial - so what's to lose? There isn't anything at this point

And if Love Island can hold I think two public votes the entire series that had any kind of direct impact on who left and still be just as if not more successful than BBUK then I don't see why we can't try it

Daniel. · 13-07-2016, 01:34 AM

All a load of rubbish. BBUK is far better than BBUS/BBCAN despite enjoying BBCAN myself

Jack_ · 13-07-2016, 01:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Daniel.

All a load of rubbish. BBUK is far better than BBUS/BBCAN despite enjoying BBCAN myself

You can't really say it's better than BBUS if you've hardly watched it, but it definitely isn't better than BBCan

Both the US and the UK could learn a lot from Canada's world leading version

StephenPullen · 13-07-2016, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack_

You can't really say it's better than BBUS if you've hardly watched it, but it definitely isn't better than BBCan

Both the US and the UK could learn a lot from Canada's world leading version

Everyone knows BBCAN is a filler show (something that people watch to pass the time before BBUS starts)...

Jack_ · 13-07-2016, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by StephenPullen

Everyone knows BBCAN is a filler show (something that people watch to pass the time before BBUS starts)...

Most of the international Big Brother community would disagree with you, and for good reason

Daniel. · 13-07-2016, 01:40 AM

BBCAN is better now, but the format of BBUK is better anyway, they just ruin it

Daniel. · 13-07-2016, 01:47 AM

Too much tea for this chick.

Macie Lightfoot · 13-07-2016, 01:49 AM

I still think BBUK at it's peak is better than anything BBUS/BBCan has ever produced, and i think the current state of BBCan really isn't much better than BBUS. BBCan1 was a gem and 2 was pretty good too, but the switch to Global hasn't done the show any favors.

Jack_ · 13-07-2016, 02:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Jordan.

OK regardless of whether it'd go down well, I don't think it's even necessary. This series is proof BB can still produce a great show and I'd put that mostly down to the good casting. The voting isn't a problem if the cast on a whole is a strong, so maybe that should be the focus going forward instead of shutting the public even further out?

And I don't think the Love Island comparisons are fair considering that is a new show in it's 2nd year, obviously people are gonna be more interested in that than something that has been on a decade and half.

I don't disagree with that (although a couple of the evictions this series did put a small dent in it that weren't necessary) but the thing is casts as good as these are extremely rare (especially on C5) and they're not going to strike gold in this manner every year which leaves us with the same problem we usually have - the voters destroying the series through the backwards format. If the casts were consistently this good and the public's eviction patterns weren't quite so moronic there's a chance we wouldn't actually be having this discussion right now, but unfortunately that isn't the case

And that is true but a common argument is that British people won't take to reality shows where there's no public votes or control, and I think Love Island is proof that that isn't entirely accurate

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Originally Posted by Macie Lightfoot

I still think BBUK at it's peak is better than anything BBUS/BBCan has ever produced, and i think the current state of BBCan really isn't much better than BBUS. BBCan1 was a gem and 2 was pretty good too, but the switch to Global hasn't done the show any favors.

BBCan is still far, far better than anything BBUK is producing though

armand.kay · 13-07-2016, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Macie Lightfoot

I still think BBUK at it's peak is better than anything BBUS/BBCan has ever produced, and i think the current state of BBCan really isn't much better than BBUS. BBCan1 was a gem and 2 was pretty good too, but the switch to Global hasn't done the show any favors.

This! BB5 and 6 uk are probably not only the best seasons of big brother in any country I would go as far as to say they're on of the best examples of reality TV. And if BB13 and this series are anything to go by then it's clear that c5 can pull it off if they get a decent cast.

Maru · 13-07-2016, 02:06 AM

Speaking of switching formats, the US actually did try a BBUK-like version of Big Brother called Glass House. It was decent enough but CBS (Big Brother) tried to sue ABC and unfortunately it never took off.

The cast did exactly what they do on BBUSA though, tried to scheme, game-play and form alliances. As for who won...

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The Glass House featured 14 strangers living in a house made of glass, with cameras recording their every move. At selected days and times, viewers can watch a live feed into the house. There are weekly eliminations, in which the public decides which of the contestants are eliminated from the game. Aside from choosing who is eliminated, viewers also dictate what the contestants wear, where they sleep and what they eat.[4] While in the house, the contestants will split into two groups and compete in various physical and mental competitions.[5] The captains of the two teams are the two contestants who have received the fewest number of votes from the public. After losing a challenge, the captain of the losing team is sent to limbo, along with a second member of that team which is voted on by the house. While in limbo, the public will vote which of the two contestants deserves to go back into the house and which one should permanently be eliminated from the game. The contestant with the fewest votes is eliminated, while the other will return to the house.[6][7][8] The contestants are spoken to by a robotic female voice, which they referred to as the "Oracle" up until Day 3, when it was revealed the public would decide the voice's name. After the airing of the first live feed, online blogs and forums labeled the voice "FaRi", a portmanteau of the words faux and Siri, the personal assistant found on Apple's iPhone 4S.[4][9]

azi · 13-07-2016, 03:51 AM

I hope not, we have enough of that format.

Denver · 13-07-2016, 08:19 AM

If this ever did happen they would lose a fan in me

JTM45 · 13-07-2016, 08:27 AM

No.......it isn't.

Cherie · 13-07-2016, 08:37 AM

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No.......it isn't.

Also I think there will be a flash vote on Friday to vote someone back and possibly someone else will be evicted...maybe the person who took the cash?

Amy Jade · 13-07-2016, 09:25 AM

Jack there's no need for you to call peoples opinions stupid.

Jack_ · 13-07-2016, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by armand.kay

They hardly have any huge rows on BBUS anymore because people don't want to compromise there place in the house. There's certain people who are never pulled up on about their behaviour because of their position in the house. The last series to have any notable drama was BB15.

That's only because Grodner has created some convoluted twists in the last few seasons that restrict big moves being made and people not voting with the house. The pure format of BBUS can be a huge catalyst for drama, you only need to look at BB6, BB10, BB11 and BB15 in particular to see why. The producers are always looking for ways to get the housemates to turn on one another, target each other, do endless face to face noms, and yet here's a format which encompasses and encourages all of this and they ignore it!

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Originally Posted by Amy Jade

Jack there's no need for you to call peoples opinions stupid.

Then don't keep reciting an argument that's completely illogical and has been rebutted on several occasions to receive no coherent response?

armand.kay · 13-07-2016, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack_

That's only because Grodner has created some convoluted twists in the last few seasons that restrict big moves being made and people not voting with the house. The pure format of BBUS can be a huge catalyst for drama, you only need to look at BB6, BB10, BB11 and BB15 in particular to see why. The producers are always looking for ways to get the housemates to turn on one another, target each other, do endless face to face noms, and yet here's a format which encompasses and encourages all of this and they ignore it!

Yeah but production interference is exactly what's stopping anything interesting from happening. Like BB13 is an example of a season were BB just put a good cast in and left them to their own devices and it was packed with drama. The original BBUK format is perfectly fine and never needed to be messed around with in the first place yeah it might need a few twists now and then to keep housemates on their toes but so does any reality to format.

Jack_ · 13-07-2016, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by armand.kay

Yeah but production interference is exactly what's stopping anything interesting from happening. Like BB13 is an example of a season were BB just put a good cast in and left them to their own devices and it was packed with drama. The original BBUK format is perfectly fine and never needed to be messed around with in the first place yeah it might need a few twists now and then to keep housemates on their toes but so does any reality to format.

Don't get me wrong I agree production interference is annoying, but from a producer's perspective I just don't get their logic - they come up with all these messy twists when there's a consistent format right there that would provide them with everything they're after?

Like I said to Jordan though casts like these are extremely rare and they're not gonna strike gold every time so BBUK's format is still a problem because the public insist on ruining every series

armand.kay · 13-07-2016, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack_

Don't get me wrong I agree production interference is annoying, but from a producer's perspective I just don't get their logic - they come up with all these messy twists when there's a consistent format right there that would provide them with everything they're after?

Like I said to Jordan though casts like these are extremely rare and they're not gonna strike gold every time so BBUK's format is still a problem because the public insist on ruining every series

Yeah but your not gonna strike gold with BBUS format either

Amy Jade · 13-07-2016, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack_

Then don't keep reciting an argument that's completely illogical and has been rebutted on several occasions to receive no coherent response?

How is it illogical to say leave it alone for people who enjoy the UK format and stick to the Canadian and US versions if you enjoy theirs?

I personally like the UK format, I like being able to vote so why change it.

Jack_ · 13-07-2016, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Amy Jade

How is it illogical to say leave it alone for people who enjoy the UK format and stick to the Canadian and US versions if you enjoy theirs?

I personally like the UK format, I like being able to vote so why change it.

Because:

1) I enjoy Big Brother and the premise of Big Brother itself, but happen to prefer the format that one version uses over another, and so think we should adopt it too. Why would I want two versions of a format I enjoy when I could have three?

2) This is a forum, and I'm entitled to say that I think all of the above. I am of course talking about my own personal opinion, people do not have to agree but why would I settle for a format I think is inferior just cause a load of other people (several of whom have never given BBUS or BBCan a try) don't agree?

Amy Jade · 13-07-2016, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack_

Because:

1) I enjoy Big Brother and the premise of Big Brother itself, but happen to prefer the format that one version uses over another, and so think we should adopt it too. Why would I want two versions of a format I enjoy when I could have three?

2) This is a forum, and I'm entitled to say that I think all of the above. I am of course talking about my own personal opinion, people do not have to agree but why would I settle for a format I think is inferior just cause a load of other people (several of whom have never given BBUS or BBCan a try) don't agree?

I'm just as entitled to say what I think without you saying my view is stupid. Nobody was rude to you and tbh you're not selling it to anyone calling them stupid are you.