[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by North Star Monkey

Exactly.Views or stances can't be challenged if people are banned from airing them.Nothing would ever be solved or discussed if life was that way.I thought Universities were supposed to be a place for debate and free thinking and forming ones own conclusions based on information given.Not as it seems in some cases hives of single minded group think with no room for growth or forming conclusions for yourself.

Do you mean like daily mail readers?

[the truth]

the liberals and the loony left are cowards...they shut down Christians as they know they will get forgiveness, they turn a bind eye to hard line muslims purely out of fear and to try and look like the anti racist good guys ...end results 20,000 children get molested in rotherham and the entire country turns a blind eye

[Vicky.]

This freedom of speech argument always confuses me. I do believe in freedom of speech (yes, I get the irony given I have to delete posts that break rules, which kinda goes against the whole freedom of speech thing...but still) but other people seem to think it means something different to what I believe it to mean.

I do not believe opinions should be hidden. However I also believe people can be called out on opinions.

For example. I would rather a racist person said something racist, and was pulled up on said racism by someone else. I see BOTH of these instances as freedom of speech.

Some seem to think allowing a racism to go unchallenged is freedom of speech. It isn't, it goes both ways.

Obviously if we are talking forum-wise..said racist post would be removed as racism is against the rules. In life though, I would much rather know that someone I was talking to was a raging bigot than have them censor themselves.

But yeah, freedom of speech for everyone is my preferred method. Sadly for most who cry for freedom of speech, they seem to not realise that someone else calling them racist (in their opinion) is also just the other person exercising their use of said freedom


Edit. I am not accusing anyone of racism here, just giving an example of what free speech means to me, and racism was the first example I thought of.

[the truth]

the real danger is those who falsely claim offence or falsely claim sexism or racism...they endanger freedom of speech and those who take their false claims seriously should be sacked

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by the truth

the real danger is those who falsely claim offence or falsely claim sexism or racism...they endanger freedom of speech and those who take their false claims seriously should be sacked

How would you know who falsely claims offense though? Its an entirely personal thing and something that is not offensive to many may be very offensive to one.

Though I tend to be of the opinion that if I take offense to something someone says thats my problem. Again, I don't expect someone to censor themselves for my benefit, but I feel I should have the right to reply also.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

How would you know who falsely claims offense though? Its an entirely personal thing and something that is not offensive to many may be very offensive to one.

Though I tend to be of the opinion that if I take offense to something someone says thats my problem. Again, I don't expect someone to censor themselves for my benefit, but I feel I should have the right to reply also.

false accusers should be imprisoned for a very very very long time....ONLY this will reduce the massive amount of false accusations of racism , sexism , discrimination , which in turn is destroying freedom of speech

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by the truth

false accusers should be imprisoned for a very very very long time....ONLY this will reduce the massive amount of false accusations of racism , sexism , discrimination , which in turn is destroying freedom of speech

I agree with this however it would be far too hard to put into action and extremely hard to prove. I guess the only times I can think of that it could be done is, for example, someone started a fight, lost, called the police to say it was a racist attack...but cctv proved otherwise. And I really doubt that kind of situation is common..

[arista]

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one hour
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