[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

You have tried to silence people by dismissing their opinions as racist in previous threads, that is fact. Automatically accusing people of that because their views are not agreeable to you is a way of attempting to shut people down.

Disapproving of certain religious practice and not wanting such practice to be tolerated in this country when it is completely contrary to the beliefs of the vast majority of the modern world is not racist - it has nothing to do with skin colour and everything to do with opposing tolerance of religious oppression and abuse for the sake of political correctness.

Telling people to produce 'evidence' that you have said this in the past is simply diversion tactics as who is going to waste their time going through endless old threads. If you forget you have said this, which personally I find hard to believe, that is your responsibility not that of others who point it out.

I don't believe my opinions are untouchable - I simply defend them like everyone else. Using adjectives such as racist or bigot is hardly productive and does not encourage discussion, it only serves to undermine opinions and set the tone of the post/thread. As for accusing me of projection, like everything else that is simply an allegation based on your own opinion, not fact.

Accusations without proof are lies until proven otherwise.

Asking for receipts when you accuse me of things that didn't happen isn't diversionary tactics. Wild accusations are the true diversions here because you've tied yourself in knots with several hypocritical posts and you can't get out of it without admitting you are wrong.

Don't make accusations that you can't back up, it's a fairly simple concept to grasp.

Your posts in this thread speak for themselves, you've contradicted yourself repeatedly and these contradictions have been pointed out to you and you've ignored them. You are projecting everything you are guilty of onto me and that's plain as day for everyone to see.

This is pointless so if you have anything to actually add to the topic then do so. Personal attacks and made up incidents achieve nothing.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Accusations without proof are lies until proven otherwise.

Asking for receipts when you accuse me of things that didn't happen isn't diversionary tactics. Wild accusations are the true diversions here because you've tied yourself in knots with several hypocritical posts and you can't get out of it without admitting you are wrong.

Don't make accusations that you can't back up, it's a fairly simple concept to grasp.

Your posts in this thread speak for themselves, you've contradicted yourself repeatedly and these contradictions have been pointed out to you and you've ignored them. You are projecting everything you are guilty of onto me and that's plain as day for everyone to see.


This is pointless so if you have anything to actually add to the topic then do so. Personal attacks and made up incidents achieve nothing.

Point out the contradictions then as I don't see them from a clear and valid source. Just rubbish and no substance.

I see no personal attacks in that post either just an honest response to your post.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Point out the contradictions then as I don't see them from a clear and valid source. Just rubbish and no substance.

Just take a look.

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I think it is an issue we all need to be rationale about.

Whilst i don't think it would be a good idea for people to be able to be offensive for the sake of being offensive, I do think people should be able to openly criticize practices/beliefs considered wrong by the majority. To simply shut people down, as often happens here, because their view is not popular with a given group is unacceptable in the free world.

Some groups, by just about anyone's standards, are far too easily offended, although I also believe an element of that is theatrics to cause drama and put pressure on government bodies to close down any opposition. Complete manipulation.

You say in the first post that you believe that people should be able to criticise things they don't believe in and you claim that opinions are shut down on here because they aren't held by a group of people and that's true because someone who doesn't hold a right wing opinion can't often go into threads without being called part of the Loony Left, a Remoaner or an SJW. You are part of the said group that attempts to repress opinions that aren't your own because you are offended by differing thoughts and opinions.

As for the point about theatrics, surely your endless baseless accusations is that in a nutshell. You've screeched about being called a bigot and a racist when no one has done anything of the sort in an attempt to shut down my opinion. You are guilty of the very things you claim to be against and that's why you are a hypocrite.

Originally Posted by Brillopad

You are nearly always one of the first to get offended and insulting and calling those with opinions you don't share on immigration, for example, as bigots and racists.

Hardly in a position to act as though you are above such behaviour and attempt to imply it is always those with opposing opinions to you that do. Getting your knickers in a twist is a right only reserved for those who care so deeply about different types of people hey!

As usual, opinions on that will be varied!

Again, proof of what I was saying before. You added nothing about the actual topic at hand and instead told lies meant to shut my opinion down. The fact you accused me of being insulting when, if you look at this topic, you're the one that's throwing out the insults, is ridiculous. You are the offended party that you spoke out against in your first post.

Every other post of yours in this thread has reinforced that.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Just take a look.



You say in the first post that you believe that people should be able to criticise things they don't believe in and you claim that opinions are shut down on here because they aren't held by a group of people and that's true because someone who doesn't hold a right wing opinion can't often go into threads without being called part of the Loony Left, a Remoaner or an SJW. You are part of the said group that attempts to repress opinions that aren't your own because you are offended by differing thoughts and opinions.

As for the point about theatrics, surely your endless baseless accusations is that in a nutshell. You've screeched about being called a bigot and a racist when no one has done anything of the sort in an attempt to shut down my opinion. You are guilty of the very things you claim to be against and that's why you are a hypocrite.



Again, proof of what I was saying before. You added nothing about the actual topic at hand and instead told lies meant to shut my opinion down. The fact you accused me of being insulting when, if you look at this topic, you're the one that's throwing out the insults, is ridiculous. You are the offended party that you spoke out against in your first post.

Every other post of yours in this thread has reinforced that.

You are doing it again - right at the beginning of your post you are referring to those that have a different opinion to yours as being 'right-wing' whilst attempting to express concerns that you are being made to feel labelled by the people you just labelled.

That is precisely what I mean you make some feel they cannot freely express their opinion without unreasonable dismissal of their views but are quick to complain if you feel they do the same to you. In my experience people are often only responding to your actions. If you insult others first then you have to expect the same back.

You always believe you have proved something when really you haven't. Whilst I have criticised your views and your expression of them on many occasions I have never outrightly called you a liar. I am not a liar. Of course I can be wrong about something but that does not make me a liar. A lie is an intentional misrepresentation of a fact and I have not done that - that goes against the grain for me.

To summarise I don't believe you have proved anything except that you are no different to those you accuse.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

You are doing it again - right at the beginning of your post you are referring to those that have a different opinion to yours as being 'right-wing' whilst attempting to express concerns that you are being made to feel labelled by the people you just labelled.

That is precisely what I mean you make some feel they cannot freely express their opinion without unreasonable dismissal of their views but are quick to complain if you feel they do the same to you. In my experience people are often only responding to your actions. If you insult others first then you have to expect the same back.

You always believe you have proved something when really you haven't. Whilst I have criticised your views and your expression of them on many occasions I have never outrightly called you a liar. I am not a liar. Of course I can be wrong about something but that does not make me a liar. A lie is an intentional misrepresentation of a fact and I have not done that - that goes against the grain for me.

To summarise I don't believe you have proved anything except that you are no different to those you accuse.

Are you honestly comparing the term 'Right Wing' to 'Loony Left'. Remoaner and 'SJW?'

Right Wing isn't an insult, it's a descriptor of one's political stance. Serious Debates is a heavily Right Wing leaning section, this is pretty much a fact.

The terms listed above are all insults used by some Right leaning members aimed at people who happen to think differently to them. Do you deny that this happens? 'Cause it's a bit rich to accuse me of suppressing opinions when I use a valid term when you are fine and dandy with insults about the left being thrown about. One rule for you, another for people who don't hold your opinion it seems.

I've never dismissed anyone's opinions, I'm allowed to disagree with opinions, like I've said enough times in this topic alone (and countless times in other SD threads), everyone has a right to an opinion and everyone has a right to disagree with that opinion. I've never tried to repress discussion, It goes against my mantra.

As for the bolded sentence, I'll just quote your first post to me in this thread.

Originally Posted by Brillopad

You are nearly always one of the first to get offended and insulting and calling those with opinions you don't share on immigration, for example, as bigots and racists.

Hardly in a position to act as though you are above such behaviour and attempt to imply it is always those with opposing opinions to you that do. Getting your knickers in a twist is a right only reserved for those who care so deeply about different types of people hey!

As usual, opinions on that will be varied!

As you can see, you attacked first. I didn't refer or acknowledge anyone in my original post yet you attacked so don't preach to me when you aren't willing to take your own advice. You set the tone for this discussion, you were the aggressor so don't pin this on me because everyone can see what happened.

You need to keep track of what you have actually said, Wombai, instead of reading what you want to read from other people's post instead of what they actually wrote.

As for your paragraph about being called a liar. You've thrown out plenty of accusations meant to silence my opinion yet you have NEVER offered up anything to back your claims which suggest that no such proof exists which means you are lying to disparage me.

Your last sentence is highly ironic considering.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Are you honestly comparing the term 'Right Wing' to 'Loony Left'. Remoaner and 'SJW?'

Right Wing isn't an insult, it's a descriptor of one's political stance. Serious Debates is a heavily Right Wing leaning section, this is pretty much a fact.

The terms listed above are all insults used by some Right leaning members aimed at people who happen to think differently to them. Do you deny that this happens? 'Cause it's a bit rich to accuse me of suppressing opinions when I use a valid term when you are fine and dandy with insults about the left being thrown about. One rule for you, another for people who don't hold your opinion it seems.

I've never dismissed anyone's opinions, I'm allowed to disagree with opinions, like I've said enough times in this topic alone (and countless times in other SD threads), everyone has a right to an opinion and everyone has a right to disagree with that opinion. I've never tried to repress discussion, It goes against my mantra.

As for the bolded sentence, I'll just quote your first post to me in this thread.



As you can see, you attacked first. I didn't refer or acknowledge anyone in my original post yet you attacked so don't preach to me when you aren't willing to take your own advice. You set the tone for this discussion, you were the aggressor so don't pin this on me because everyone can see what happened.

You need to keep track of what you have actually said, Wombai, instead of reading what you want to read from other people's post instead of what they actually wrote.

As for your paragraph about being called a liar. You've thrown out plenty of accusations meant to silence my opinion yet you have NEVER offered up anything to back your claims which suggest that no such proof exists which means you are lying to disparage me.

Your last sentence is highly ironic considering.

When I respond to one of your posts, or anyone's post come to that, depending on what has been said, I will include in my reply things said it previous threads if I feel it relevant to something being said in the current post, there is nothing to say a response to a post has to relate word for word to that post. We are all screwed if there is.

In my opinion you have dismissed the opinions of others with the use of certain put-down words in the past which makes you fair game for the same treatment. Such words are used to intimidate as they are generally considered offensive. Denial is fruitless.

Your initial post may not have named names but people are not stupid and can see the correlation between things said in previous posts to comments made in your post. Of course I don't remember every word I say, who does, you certainly don't as is evident by your previous denial of using the word bigot etc, in the past. I am however capable of keeping a general track of the gist of what I say.

I find it quite laughable that you don't see how we are all influenced by our opinions by how we interpret the words of others and how we respond to them and read into them what we do, you are no less guilty of that than anyone else.

Once again I do remember certain things said previously, some things stick in your mind because of their annoyance factor, but as already stated a hundred times I have no intention of spending my time trawling through previous threads to prove something to you, you would find some way of dismissing/excusing it anyway.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

When I respond to one of your posts, or anyone's post come to that, depending on what has been said, I will include in my reply things said it previous threads if I feel it relevant to something being said in the current post, there is nothing to say a response to a post has to relate word for word to that post. We are all screwed if there is.

In my opinion you have dismissed the opinions of others with the use of certain put-down words in the past which makes you fair game for the same treatment. Such words are used to intimidate as they are generally considered offensive. Denial is fruitless.

Your initial post may not have named names but people are not stupid and can see the correlation between things said in previous posts to comments made in your post. Of course I don't remember every word I say, who does, you certainly don't as is evident by your previous denial of using the word bigot etc, in the past. I am however capable of keeping a general track of the gist of what I say.

I find it quite laughable that you don't see how we are all influenced by our opinions by how we interpret the words of others and how we respond to them and read into them what we do, you are no less guilty of that than anyone else.

Once again I do remember certain things said previously, some things stick in your mind because of their annoyance factor, but as already stated a hundred times I have no intention of spending my time trawling through previous threads to prove something to you, you would find some way of dismissing/excusing it anyway.

So basically you've made more accusations that you aren't willing to back up and you read too much into a post that was unrelated to you and now you think it's about you. Okay, that's reasonable...