[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

No I haven't heard it before. What does it mean?

Why tactless? As a none white person I find the leaders of that town abhorrent and frightening. You are a Jew so why don't you find such a thing abhorrent and frightening too?



I lived in Hackney knowing that my Orthodox Jewish neighbours wanted nothing to do with me. I accepted the way they practised their culture which was very different to mine. The Jewish people of Hackney don't insist on people changing their culture to be more fitting with their own and so they didn't need to approach their borough council to check that would be ok!

I also lived just off Mile End Rd and although my Muslim neighbours were cordial with me, I had to accept that their culture was very different to my own. Just like the Jews, the Muslim people of Mile End Rd don't insist on people changing their culture to be more fitting with their own and so they don't need to approach their borough council and check if that's ok.

I find it strange that in large mixed communities we all seem to just get on with things and yet when I visit relatives in Harrogate which has a majority white Christian community, I meet racists by the dozen.

How convenient for you in the context of this debate..

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Whose being radical. I along with many others consider the extreme left and PC brigade to be radical so who decides this exactly.

I would perhaps describe our country currently as progressive with the potential of slipping - and I wouldn't put that down to the fault of those who express concerns about certain issues going on in their countries.

I'm referring to the whole attitude of 'Saudi Arabia does something backwards so WHY CAN'T WE?' that's been rather prevalent in this thread, that should have been obvious.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I'm referring to the whole attitude of 'Saudi Arabia does something backwards so WHY CAN'T WE?' that's been rather prevalent in this thread, that should have been obvious.

No one has said that. I compared the fact that Saudi is a ridiculous, backward regime harking back to the dark ages... to a village in Hungary who are refusing to take immigrants. Both are stupid... my point was that a village full of white people turning away incomers because they are different from them, is no worse than a country full of Muslims who have 100,000 air-conditioned tents standing empty because they don't want immigrants who are different from them.

I think that's clear enough now. I hope no one's still labouring under the misapprehension that I support the Hungarians because frankly having to explain myself over and over to people intelligent enough to have got it in the first place, is tiresome.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Livia

Your Islamists. It's a turn of phrase. You must have heard it before.

You brought up the Jewish community simply because I am a Jew. How tactless of you. And I am not supporting these racists, I am saying... and I'll reapeat it in plain English... if you're going to insist people change their culture, you need to make sure they're okay with it before you foist change on them or this Right turn will happen. I never said I supported it. You have to try to stop pigeon-holing peole from a few lines on a Big Brother forum.

So thanks for the Jewish comparison, it was very... expected.

Such madness that you had to explain that. They seriously thought you was talking about them.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Alf

Such madness that you had to explain that. They seriously thought you was talking about them.

I actually never heard that either

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I actually never heard that either

You need to watch some Alf Garnett, he uses it a lot.

To quote him

"The reason your Everton and your Liverpool are so successful, is because they're being subsidised by the DHSS"

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I'm referring to the whole attitude of 'Saudi Arabia does something backwards so WHY CAN'T WE?' that's been rather prevalent in this thread, that should have been obvious.

It was and you implied such feelings were radical. I then went on to state that allegations of radicalism could work equally well the other way.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Alf

You need to watch some Alf Garnett, he uses it a lot.

To quote him

"The reason your Everton and your Liverpool are so successful, is because they're being subsidised by the DHSS"

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Alf

You need to watch some Alf Garnett, he uses it a lot.

To quote him

"The reason your Everton and your Liverpool are so successful, is because they're being subsidised by the DHSS"

aaaahhh ok I get it now, I thought Livia meant that "your Islamist" was some sort of a phrase, like specifically the two words together, this is why I don't post in SDs too much, I can't understand half of what's going on

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Alf

Such madness that you had to explain that. They seriously thought you was talking about them.

'The frequent linkage of the term "Islamist" to violence and denial of religious and human rights is also strongly promoted by Islamophobic groups and individuals who seek to launch rhetorical attacks on Islam and Muslims, without the public censure that would normally accompany such bigoted attacks on any other faith'

Unfortunately, the term "Islamist" has become shorthand for "Muslims we don't like." It is currently used in an almost exclusively pejorative context and is often coupled with the term "extremist," giving it an even more negative slant.

So to use the words "your" Islamists implies what Alf?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

'My' Islamist ?

What made me bring that up was, you appear all too ready to support this town ban to only allow in white Christians and yet you yourself are Jewish. You of all people know what people suffered in the holocaust and how your people were so ruthlessly and needlessly persecuted and yet you think its okay to do the same to others?

Regardless of all the Jews that live in Hungary, this town clearly doesn't want them living there and neither does it want mixed race people like myself or black people like some of my family members.

Racism is abhorrent no matter what form it comes in and the comments on these boards of late appear to be suspiciously far right.

You perceive what you want to perceive.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

You perceive what you want to perceive.

Ok so I'm a Muslim

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Ok so I'm a Muslim

*tweets Donald to extend ban to Tibb SD

[VanessaFeltz.]

Hungaria is also the only country to hold a referandum on letting immigrants to the country or not.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

'The frequent linkage of the term "Islamist" to violence and denial of religious and human rights is also strongly promoted by Islamophobic groups and individuals who seek to launch rhetorical attacks on Islam and Muslims, without the public censure that would normally accompany such bigoted attacks on any other faith'

Unfortunately, the term "Islamist" has become shorthand for "Muslims we don't like." It is currently used in an almost exclusively pejorative context and is often coupled with the term "extremist," giving it an even more negative slant.

So to use the words "your" Islamists implies what Alf?

An Islamist. That's what it means, in this case. But some people use the word "your" instead of An. It's just a word some people use when describing something or someone.

But if you're searching high and low for offence, or to be offended, you'll end up making things up to reach your goal.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Because it's not new information, that's always happened there, what's happening now, is more "progressive" societies are starting to go backwards and that is more scary than anything imo Lets all becomes hostile people haters yay

And that 'progressive' rhetoric is what feeds that type of double standards. They know the modern progressive world is so far up their own a***s with their sense of progression and resulting superiority that such double standards go unchallenged.

Even progressive societies have a right to preserve their own identities and way of life but the far left have managed to make people feel so ashamed and so scared of the past that they can no longer see the wood for the trees, and in their attempt to right a wrong they are willing to abandon their own culture to appease anyone who has a different belief system.

That progressive insecurity in itself cannot go unchallenged by those with a stronger sense of worth.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

And that 'progressive' rhetoric is what feeds that type of double standards. They know the modern progressive world is so far up their own a***s with their sense of progression and resulting superiority that such double standards go unchallenged.

Even progressive societies have a right to preserve their own identities and way of life but the far left have managed to make people feel so ashamed and so scared of the past that they can no longer see the wood for the trees, and in their attempt to right a wrong they are willing to abandon their own culture to appease anyone who has a different belief system.

That progressive insecurity in itself cannot go unchallenged by those with a stronger sense of worth.

Who is abandoning their own culture?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Who is abandoning their own culture?

Those giving little thought to the long-term effects of the mass immigration of cultures very different to our own. They are not and never will be compatible in their current form.

It seems to me that Western cultures have so far done all the compromising, but where does that stop.

[user104658]

It's a load of nonsense though. What culture? British (and global) culture has shifted massively over the past couple of years alone and it has absolutely **** all to do with "large immigrant communities". In fact, British culture has morphed into something practically unrecognisable in the past 6-to-12 months.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I think we should have out own village like that here, bloody Hungarians coming over here stealing all out white supremacists



did Brexit not just happen??

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It's a load of nonsense though. What culture? British (and global) culture has shifted massively over the past couple of years alone and it has absolutely **** all to do with "large immigrant communities". In fact, British culture has morphed into something practically unrecognisable in the past 6-to-12 months.

That's the problem.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

That's the problem.

What is? What are you saying has changed it? The suggestion is that being overwhelmed with foreign cultures is what will change order culture, and I am pointing out that the good ol' British people have done a fine job of completely twisting it all by ourselves.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It's a load of nonsense though. What culture? British (and global) culture has shifted massively over the past couple of years alone and it has absolutely **** all to do with "large immigrant communities". In fact, British culture has morphed into something practically unrecognisable in the past 6-to-12 months.

You can take our lives but you'll never take our POTATOESSSSSSSSSSSSS

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Livia

No one has said that. I compared the fact that Saudi is a ridiculous, backward regime harking back to the dark ages... to a village in Hungary who are refusing to take immigrants. Both are stupid... my point was that a village full of white people turning away incomers because they are different from them, is no worse than a country full of Muslims who have 100,000 air-conditioned tents standing empty because they don't want immigrants who are different from them.

I think that's clear enough now. I hope no one's still labouring under the misapprehension that I support the Hungarians because frankly having to explain myself over and over to people intelligent enough to have got it in the first place, is tiresome.

I'd argue that there's quite a difference between an area in a European country enforcing these kinds of restrictions and Saudi Arabia who are sadly still medieval in their approach to progress.

Any European settlement that engages in that kind of behavior is worrying because it shows a turn towards radicalism that's been bubbling away in the western world for the past few years. Considering that Hungary is, well not on our doorstep but on the same street so to speak, it's only natural that people would discuss it and be worried about what it signifies.

There's very little we can do about attitudes in the Middle East but a story like this does feel closer to home.

Originally Posted by Brillopad

It was and you implied such feelings were radical. I then went on to state that allegations of radicalism could work equally well the other way.

That attitude is quite radical, bemoaning a country like Saudi Arabia and then using it to justify enforcing similar restrictions is also completely and utterly hypocritical.

There's nothing wrong with equality, it's certainly not radical unless you think promoting exclusivity over being inclusive. I'd have thought, given that you are a feminist, you'd understand that and there would be some common empathy there.

[Tom4784]

The whole culture argument is silly, our culture was literally built on the foundations of other cultures. If you want 'purely British' then you'd have to go back to the days of mud huts, paganism and Boudica.

Culture is a continually evolving thing, you can't stop it and nor should you.