[Niamh.]

Ok so my theory was way off season 2 was amazing though, watched the last 3 episodes back to back last night, the end was a big shock

[Lostie!]

I'm really glad you loved it Throughout the last two episodes I was more convinced than ever that

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Cole was the Witness, especially when we saw him living in the house from the visions. A great red herring for it being their child, and it makes total sense when you go back to season 1 and they say about Cassandra being special etc.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

I'm really glad you loved it Throughout the last two episodes I was more convinced than ever that

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Cole was the Witness, especially when we saw him living in the house from the visions. A great red herring for it being their child, and it makes total sense when you go back to season 1 and they say about Cassandra being special etc.

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Yeah, it's fantastic and it's made so well, they manage to shock so much with the twists but they still make sense, that's no mean feat. The fact that the child that shouldn't exist is the Witness makes so much sense but why would that child end up wanting to destroy time though is the question?

[Lostie!]

Yeah I have no theories about everything surrounding the Witness atm so I'm excited to see how it pans out, but I think especially with knowing it's ending next year, it's gonna be satisfying because they're not padding the story out to go on for longer.

I hope we get a reason as to why they're called the Witness specifically too. Maybe because they've been witness to all of time or something?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

Yeah I have no theories about everything surrounding the Witness atm so I'm excited to see how it pans out, but I think especially with knowing it's ending next year, it's gonna be satisfying because they're not padding the story out to go on for longer.

I hope we get a reason as to why they're called the Witness specifically too. Maybe because they've been witness to all of time or something?

Maybe they themselves are a witness to the fact that time changed and they shouldnt be there in the timeline where the 1957 paradox was stopped

[Lostie!]

Ah good point!

I know you don't like her but I'm really interested to see

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where Olivia's story goes from here since she's not with the 12 Monkeys anymore. Looks like she wants to go against the Witness now but I can't see her ever being a true ally to the good guys. I'm just happy we've finally had her showing up in the future, they did the right thing by only showing her in the past for most of the first two seasons so when Jennifer attacked her, I really did think she was gonna die.

Quite fitting though that Jennifer, who Olivia manipulated into doing the Witness' bidding, was the catalyst for Olivia herself turning against him/her (since her being wheelchair-bound for a time was what led to her losing her authority and being tossed aside).

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

Ah good point!

I know you don't like her but I'm really interested to see

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where Olivia's story goes from here since she's not with the 12 Monkeys anymore. Looks like she wants to go against the Witness now but I can't see her ever being a true ally to the good guys. I'm just happy we've finally had her showing up in the future, they did the right thing by only showing her in the past for most of the first two seasons so when Jennifer attacked her, I really did think she was gonna die.

Quite fitting though that Jennifer, who Olivia manipulated into doing the Witness' bidding, was the catalyst for Olivia herself turning against him/her (since her being wheelchair-bound for a time was what led to her losing her authority and being tossed aside).

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I like her a bit more since she turned against the witness and we got more of her back story.

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

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I like her a bit more since she turned against the witness and we got more of her back story.

Progress!

Yeah I loved her backstory episode.

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I love that a character who I expected to just be a mouthpiece for the Witness is now being fleshed out a lot more as all good villains should be and her motives (both for initially being loyal to the Witness and now for turning against them) all make sense. I don't want her to suddenly be all nice etc because that wouldn't be her but I'm definitely excited to see if she ends up forming some sort of alliance with Cole etc.[

[Lostie!]

Season 3 trailer!

Youtube video

Looks like

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James Callis is playing the Witness as I thought when the casting was announced.

And the new poster is hot

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[Lostie!]

Syfy UK premiere date for season 3 is May 26th, a week after the US premiere (and it's airing over 3 nights like with the US airing).

I wasn't sure at first but I'm really excited for how season 3 is being aired now, sort of like the Netflix style but in 3 batches rather than all at once. It's too addictive to have to make do with one a week

[Lostie!]

Really positive advance review (spoiler free) of the first 4 episodes of season 3. Really can't wait

Nothing is held back in the first four episode of season three. It’s a ride that serves as the first act of a story. An act that ends in a way that will leave viewers breathless. It’s a moment that changes the definition of what this show can be. 12 Monkeys has been solidified, once and for all, as the cool show on Syfy. The dangerous one. The one that, much like fan favorite Jennifer Goines, could snap at any moment. In season three, 12 Monkeys is a show out to stun, hurt and elate. It’s a show ready to win, and win it does.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/merrill...ason-3-review/

[Niamh.]

can't wait for this, it's actually right up there for me as one of my favourite shows

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

can't wait for this, it's actually right up there for me as one of my favourite shows

Same, I'm pleasantly surprised by just how into it I ended up

And I'm just really glad I can enjoy the upcoming season with the knowledge that it won't be abruptly cancelled at the end of it

[Niamh.]

Yeah nothing worse than not getting proper closure

Oh I started watching 11.22.63 Lostie, I think you might find it interesting

[Lostie!]

Oh I heard about that when it was airing, the James Franco one? Definitely sounds like something I'd like, and I think it was a one-off thing so should be easy to watch

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

Oh I heard about that when it was airing, the James Franco one? Definitely sounds like something I'd like, and I think it was a one-off thing so should be easy to watch

It just reminded me of 12 Monkeys as it's time travelish as well, I watched the first 2 episodes and it's decent enough so far

ETA : Yes the James Franco one, it's based on a Stephen King book

[Lostie!]

I'll give it a go

I hope Jones still has her new dog in season 3 (and I hope This Little Bastard is its official name) I was wondering if it's the same dog that Cole and Ramse were gonna eat but didn't in that early season 1 episode

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

I'll give it a go

I hope Jones still has her new dog in season 3 (and I hope This Little Bastard is its official name) I was wondering if it's the same dog that Cole and Ramse were gonna eat but didn't in that early season 1 episode

Oh yeah, nice linkage, that's pretty likely, they seem to like to link everyone

[Lostie!]

Oh I stand corrected, it was "this little sh!t"

Definitely the same dog! Good, I was wondering what became of it since those flashbacks (the animals are literally always my first concern in these things )

[Lostie!]

Turns out they're already filming season 4, probably thanks to the early renewal so they didn't have to wait for season 3 to air first

Something I really want before the show ends is some insight on Cole's mother. They mentioned in season 1 that she was afraid that the 12 Monkeys were after her, this really does feel like a show where the story has been well planned out so I have faith we'll get the pay-off eventually .

[Niamh.]

Oh yeah I thought about his mother too, I had this mad theory that :

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The witness is actually Cole himself and he's his own dad lol so Cassie is his mother.......

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Oh yeah I thought about his mother too, I had this mad theory that :

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The witness is actually Cole himself and he's his own dad lol so Cassie is his mother.......

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I can see the Jerry Springer episode now. "I impregnated my own mother with myself".

For a good chunk of season 1, I thought Jones might be an older Cassandra (with a different accent for some reason). Jones' first name being Katarina and the original version of Cassandra in the movie being called Kathryn just made me think it even more

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

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I can see the Jerry Springer episode now. "I impregnated my own mother with myself".

For a good chunk of season 1, I thought Jones might be an older Cassandra (with a different accent for some reason). Jones' first name being Katarina and the original version of Cassandra in the movie being called Kathryn just made me think it even more

This is what i love about 12 Monkeys though, it makes me think of the weirdest twists and I'm wrong everytime which I'm glad about

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

This is what i love about 12 Monkeys though, it makes me think of the weirdest twists and I'm wrong everytime which I'm glad about

Yeah definitely, time travel gives you the opportunity to consider all sorts of possibilities which just adds to the fun. Especially when ideas that might sound bizarre like your mother also being your daughter and you being your own and your brother's grandmother have already happened in the show (no wonder Olivia is a bit off ).

The way they play with the whole chicken / egg idea with their time travel is brilliant.

[Lostie!]

This is cool (not actually spoilery, just big pictures )

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I'd be convinced Lillian was Jennifer's mother (especially since we know her mother was mentally ill too) if the years matched up but she'd be in her 70s around the time Jennifer is born going off Madeleine Stowe's real age. Then again, this is a show that has time travel and particular people with decelerated aging so it's not entirely outside the realm of possibility Although I think it's more likely they were just drawing parallels between them due to their similarities.