[Kizzy]

We don't know is his true age, what we do know is he could've been stopped.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8267601.html

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

We don't know is his true age, what we do know is he could've been stopped.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8267601.html

having read that article, what has that do do with migrants lying about their age and then committing terror attacks?

Bearing in mind you are happy to allow this type of person free access to the UK Id have thought you would be addressing that more than looking as others have to discuss anything other than the topic?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

having read that article, what has that do do with migrants lying about their age and then committing terror attacks?

Bearing in mind you are happy to allow this type of person free access to the UK Id have thought you would be addressing that more than looking as others have to discuss anything other than the topic?

We have no proof he has lied... we have proof there was room for improvement prior to the attack.

What type of person, terrorists?... No LT I'm not.
What a silly troll like thing to say.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

We have no proof he has lied... we have proof there was room for improvement prior to the attack.

What type of person, terrorists?... No LT I'm not.
What a silly troll like thing to say.

i cant even be bothered to look at some of your comments during the Calais thing but i think other members will get my jist...

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

We have no proof he has lied... we have proof there was room for improvement prior to the attack.

What type of person, terrorists?... No LT I'm not.
What a silly troll like thing to say.

It comes back to what I have said for a while, not everyone in the public sector does a good job, sometimes things are missed, human error is also a factor, I'm not sure we should be demonising the people who try to keep us safe over those that wish us harm? We don't really know why this guy was missed, any more than we know why the guy who attacked people on London Bridge was missed given he was on a C4 docu waving his ISIS flag, maybe it comes back to not wanting to be seen as racist who knows

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

It comes back to what I have said for a while, not everyone in the public sector does a good job, sometimes things are missed, human error is also a factor, I'm not sure we should be demonising the people who try to keep us safe over those that wish us harm? We don't really know why this guy was missed, any more than we know why the guy who attacked people on London Bridge was missed given he was on a C4 docu waving his ISIS flag, maybe it comes back to not wanting to be seen as racist who knows

This is not possible... There are procedures, protocol, best practice, a wealth of information, resilience and preparedness and contingency planning for counter terrorism.
Guidelines to follow, CONTEST and Persue, Prevent, Protect,Prepare.

We don't have the keystone cops protecting us, these are professionals if something was missed we do need to be asking why, not just chalk it up to pc plod having 'one of those days'.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

We don't know is his true age, what we do know is he could've been stopped.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8267601.html

Sorry Kizzy - but I’m not buying into the blame the Police , blame the system propaganda out there.

If we were not being bullied into taking in anyone en masse, with no known history, that potentially pose a security risk to us all by the EU, the ideologies of the left and others who support it, many people, including children, would still be alive in Britain and Europe today who are not. We should put the safety of our own first. How many more do we have to sacrifice?

[Brillopad]

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...on-immigration

If a country like Australia is having these issues what hope it there for the rest of us. Immigration should always be for the benefit of those already living in a country not to the detriment of them.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...on-immigration

If a country like Australia is having these issues what hope it there for the rest of us. Immigration should always be for the benefit of those already living in a country not to the detriment of them.

That's an opinion peace. She says herself that the economists love it because it it’s great for the economy. She doesn't like it because she doesn't think Australia has enough space

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

That's an opinion peace. She says herself that the economists love it because it it’s great for the economy. She doesn't like it because she doesn't think Australia has enough space

I know it’s an opinion piece but no doubt it reflects a common opinion in Australia.

And it isn’t about space per se but about the creating of all the infrastructures required to accommodate masses more people and all the resulting chaos to the daily lives of everyone in the ever increasing busy cities. The whole ethos of the country is going to change and it is a beautiful country as it is.

She also has a very valid point when pointing out that immigration is supposed to be about the benefits to and welfare of the PEOPLE of Australia first and foremost - not just big business. As someone who claims to speak for the people rather than big business that is a rather a contradictory statement. If Australians feel their lives are going to be affected in a negative way from too much immigration, as people in many countries do, they have a right to their say and to be listened to. And the same applies to every country in this situation.

[chuff me dizzy]

A blind man could see most of them were adult men, who were then to schools with our children .......they could have been anyone

[Oliver_W]

With cases like the ones pictured, why was the idea that they were children even considered? They should have been laughed at in the face and turned around.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

With cases like the ones pictured, why was the idea that they were children even considered? They should have been laughed at in the face and turned around.

Agreed Oliver,the mind boggles.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

With cases like the ones pictured, why was the idea that they were children even considered? They should have been laughed at in the face and turned around.

That’s where OTT PC gets you. People can’t even challenge adult migrants who pose as children. Everyone knew they were adults but that PC grip had hold and people went to mush.

[jaxie]

Having a fair bit of experience with regard to a family member who is trying to marry someone they love who happens to be another country, I have found our whole immigration system woefully incompetent. The whole system needs a serious shake up and I do believe there must be rules so I'm not just being selfish. Some of the rules and hoops to jump through are completely illogical. If you have any kind of relationship visiting is out because they suspect you, even when you have a bona fide address to stay at. If you are retired and don't have a job, fat chance of going to your daughters wedding even if your trip is all expenses paid by a UK family. It is completely stacked against genuine applications and full of insinuation that you will run off as soon as you get here. That's how we treat people who want to come for a visit and spend tourist money here. Then the other end of the stick you have a bloke of 35 trying to come here in place of a 12 year old and they let him.

[Beso]

Handy friends to have if you are an underage drinker......or maybe not as many cases may end up....going wrong.

[Beso]

Just shows how little the border checks etc can find out about the immigrants..pretty scary really.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by lewis111

God forbid they take a couple years of their age so they have a better chance of getting into a country where their life isn't constantly at risk or at the lowest standard of living possible

Originally Posted by Niamh.

It's not the same thing and none of us know how we would act coming from a situation like that. I just think judging people who have seen and experienced s**t that none of us could even imagine is a bit, well, I just think it's wrong really, we don't know how lucky we are. I have nothing but sympathy for all these people. It's a bit high horse-ish to judge anyone in a situation like that when we were so lucky really to have been born where we were

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Very true, a lot of people preaching strict or non-existent immigration would be the first ones to try to cheat the system if the situation was reversed.

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

This site is starting to feel more and more right wing. Why can't we have a sticky for all Muslim posts because the amount of threads with Islam or Muslim in the title is unnecessary. All its going to do is drive people away and draw others who are anti-Islam.

Parsons Green bomber lied about his age to stay in Britain rules judge who jailed him for 34 years after saying he didn't believe the Iraqi asylum seeker was 18

• The judge was certain that Hassan had lied about being a child to stay in the UK
• In 2015 Hassan entered UK claiming to be 16-year-old who was kidnapped by Isis
• Mr Justice Haddon-Cave jailed him for life with a minimum 34-year sentence
• Case raises concerns about other terrorists pretending to be kids to enter UK