[lewis111]

God forbid they take a couple years of their age so they have a better chance of getting into a country where their life isn't constantly at risk or at the lowest standard of living possible

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by lewis111

God forbid they take a couple years of their age so they have a better chance of getting into a country where their life isn't constantly at risk or at the lowest standard of living possible

The point is that they've jumped in places that children should have had.It happened here to with the Calais jungle camp.Alot kids were alone and at risk.
No decent human would do that.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

The point is that they've jumped in places that children should have had.It happened here to with the Calais jungle camp.Alot kids were alone and at risk.
No decent human would do that.

It's easy to be a "decent human" when you come from where you do and have a safe life though tbf

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

It's easy to be a "decent human" when you come from where you do and have a safe life though tbf

If i was on a sinking ship I honestly couldn't imagine kicking a kid out of a lifeboat to save myself.I don't think i could live with myself after.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

If i was on a sinking ship I honestly couldn't imagine kicking a kid out of a lifeboat to save myself.I don't think i could live with myself after.

It's not the same thing and none of us know how we would act coming from a situation like that. I just think judging people who have seen and experienced s**t that none of us could even imagine is a bit, well, I just think it's wrong really, we don't know how lucky we are. I have nothing but sympathy for all these people. It's a bit high horse-ish to judge anyone in a situation like that when we were so lucky really to have been born where we were

[Ronald.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

It's not the same thing and none of us know how we would act coming from a situation like that. I just think judging people who have seen and experienced s**t that none of us could even imagine is a bit, well, I just think it's wrong really, we don't know how lucky we are. I have nothing but sympathy for all these people. It's a bit high horse-ish to judge anyone in a situation like that when we were so lucky really to have been born where we were

Here here niamh. R.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

It's not the same thing and none of us know how we would act coming from a situation like that. I just think judging people who have seen and experienced s**t that none of us could even imagine is a bit, well, I just think it's wrong really, we don't know how lucky we are. I have nothing but sympathy for all these people. It's a bit high horse-ish to judge anyone in a situation like that when we were so lucky really to have been born where we were

What do you mean none of us, i would die to save a kid

Im sure loads know they would as well.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by parmnion

What do you mean none of us, i would die to save a kid

Im sure loads know they would as well.

Words and actions are two different things, people always believe they'd do the heroic thing if the opportunity to arose but most people, in reality, would just watch from the sidelines.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by parmnion

What do you mean none of us, i would die to save a kid

Im sure loads know they would as well.

You'd be surprised at how much self-preservation would kick in, even if it was against a child.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

It's not the same thing and none of us know how we would act coming from a situation like that. I just think judging people who have seen and experienced s**t that none of us could even imagine is a bit, well, I just think it's wrong really, we don't know how lucky we are. I have nothing but sympathy for all these people. It's a bit high horse-ish to judge anyone in a situation like that when we were so lucky really to have been born where we were

I see what you are saying and its a good point but I kind of disagree for reasons I've stated that they were already in Europe anyway so relatively safe and that people aren't always selfish when it comes to kids.

I had a situation once where a rogue firework (rocket) flew into the house and straight at a group of children (party). I dived in front and pushed them out of the way, shielding them. Completely instinct and not something I ever thought about doing but it made me realise that it can be instinct to do the right thing. I hasten to add my own child wasn't in the direct line of fire either. So I don't really agree that people always put themselves first.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

It's easy to be a "decent human" when you come from where you do and have a safe life though tbf

Very true, a lot of people preaching strict or non-existent immigration would be the first ones to try to cheat the system if the situation was reversed.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Very true, a lot of people preaching strict or non-existent immigration would be the first ones to try to cheat the system if the situation was reversed.

You can't possibly know that. That's a really provocative assumption.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by jaxie

You can't possibly know that. That's a really provocative assumption.

It really isn't, it's very easy to judge immigrants from our position but if the roles were reversed so many anti-immigrant people would be doing everything they could to get into the country.

It's easy to judge from a position of safety but throw the Anti-Immigrant people into a refugee's shoes and see how quickly they'd find a way to cheat the system to get in.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It really isn't, it's very easy to judge immigrants from our position but if the roles were reversed so many anti-immigrant people would be doing everything they could to get into the country.

It's easy to judge from a position of safety but throw the Anti-Immigrant people into a refugee's shoes and see how quickly they'd find a way to cheat the system to get in.

You're correct, it's Human nature we all would do the same thing if our lives were under threat.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It really isn't, it's very easy to judge immigrants from our position but if the roles were reversed so many anti-immigrant people would be doing everything they could to get into the country.

It's easy to judge from a position of safety but throw the Anti-Immigrant people into a refugee's shoes and see how quickly they'd find a way to cheat the system to get in.

No-doubt if the roles were reversed - those currently trying to force themselves onto other countries would be the first to stop others from them doing so to them. You do realise it would undoubtedly work both ways don’t you.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by lewis111

God forbid they take a couple years of their age so they have a better chance of getting into a country where their life isn't constantly at risk or at the lowest standard of living possible

So you think claiming to be 14 while being 25 then going to sleep with underage girls is fine?

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Adam.

So you think claiming to be 14 while being 25 then going to sleep with underage girls is fine?

Boy child refugees are not housed with girl child refugees.

In my area of work I had to be trained up on refugee children and for a long time its been said that young adults are clearly slipping through the 'child' net but without definitive proof, there's little we can do because under the 'Child Protection Act' there's a duty of care.

Regardless of age, these young adults have often lost everything. Their home, their entire family and all their worldly possessions. They haven't understood what safety is for a very long time and the boys especially are at great risk of being recruited as soldiers or herded out of their towns by Jihadists and murdered. I've never talked to these boys personally but I'm told by people who have that they are so grateful and look forward to going home at some point in the future.

I'm so glad we could help.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Boy child refugees are not housed with girl child refugees.

In my area of work I had to be trained up on refugee children and for a long time its been said that young adults are clearly slipping through the 'child' net but without definitive proof, there's little we can do because under the 'Child Protection Act' there's a duty of care.

Regardless of age, these young adults have often lost everything. Their home, their entire family and all their worldly possessions. They haven't understood what safety is for a very long time and the boys especially are at great risk of being recruited as soldiers or herded out of their towns by Jihadists and murdered. I've never talked to these boys personally but I'm told by people who have that they are so grateful and look forward to going home at some point in the future.

I'm so glad we could help.

Only as long as they do no harm whilst here. If they do they should be out the door for good.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Boy child refugees are not housed with girl child refugees.

In my area of work I had to be trained up on refugee children and for a long time its been said that young adults are clearly slipping through the 'child' net but without definitive proof, there's little we can do because under the 'Child Protection Act' there's a duty of care.

Regardless of age, these young adults have often lost everything. Their home, their entire family and all their worldly possessions. They haven't understood what safety is for a very long time and the boys especially are at great risk of being recruited as soldiers or herded out of their towns by Jihadists and murdered. I've never talked to these boys personally but I'm told by people who have that they are so grateful and look forward to going home at some point in the future.

I'm so glad we could help.

Excuses! They lied knowing exactly what they were doing and I seriously doubt they have any intention of going home.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by lewis111

God forbid they take a couple years of their age so they have a better chance of getting into a country where their life isn't constantly at risk or at the lowest standard of living possible

That's all well and good and very saintly,but not when it impacts on the people of the UK who were born and bred here,it's ok being kind,but not at the expense of our safety or our overcrowding problem,no wonder places like the NHS can't cope,sometimes you have to be cruel to be kind.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by lewis111

God forbid they take a couple years of their age so they have a better chance of getting into a country where their life isn't constantly at risk or at the lowest standard of living possible

It's one of those things where I get what you're saying and morally I do agree with you, but this country also can't afford to be too charitable as we do need to make sure that we don't overpopulate the country to an unhealthy degree, we've already pushed it as it is with 60 odd million.