[Withano]

Originally Posted by Jack_

The evidence emerging over the last few days is signalling that in actual fact the supposed 'youth surge' may not be the only (or indeed primary) reason for Labour's turnaround. Indeed, Labour led among everyone under 50, youth turnout was at 57% (and not the reported 72%), and furthermore, a higher proportion of youths voted Labour in 2015 than they did this year. So it seems they did a pretty good job of attracting a variation of voters...doesn't give much credence to students searching for 'freebies' argument does it.

But since we're here, speaking of education:

I saw this coming but didnt say anthing incase I got banned haha. The average debate (not every debate) on the election from all over social media didn't seem divided by age as much... seemed divided by intelligence.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

I saw this coming but didnt say anthing incase I got banned haha. The average debate (not every debate) on the election from all over social media didn't seem divided by age as much... seemed divided by intelligence.

You wish!

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

You wish!

Why would I wish that.
1. I have a long list of wishes.
2. something that is already true wouldn't need to be one of them.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Withano

I saw this coming but didnt say anthing incase I got banned haha. The average debate (not every debate) on the election from all over social media didn't seem divided by age as much... seemed divided by intelligence.

no based on a liberal left leaning education

[Withano]

Originally Posted by the truth

no based on a liberal left leaning education

So secondary school is right wing, college is central, and university is left?

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Withano

So secondary school is right wing, college is central, and university is left?

nope its more left leaning pc liberal nonsense across the board

[Withano]

Originally Posted by the truth

nope its more left leaning pc liberal nonsense across the board

Then why are those with only GCSE's right wing?

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

What happened in the greater part too Jack_ was that Theresa May,(not surprising since her judgement is atrocious anyway), the Cons and a good number of their more hardline supporters,totally underestimated Jeremy Corbyn and his campaigning abilities.

I really do now believe, whenever it comes,this election is not going to be forgotten by the electorate,so that the next one is extremely likely to result in a Labour led govt.
Even if Buffoon Boris is the new 'conning' Con leader.

Do you reckon Joey? I'm hesitant about Boris becoming their leader/PM, I'd like to think people have seen through the buffoon act these days and that he's exposed himself as a thirsty-for-power-at-any-cost charlatan, but I'm worried people would just buy into the ~HAHA isn't he hilarious lol~ stuff.

Mind you, if they get a more 'moderate' leader and water down their austerity programme, we're probably in the same kind of situation. All I'm hoping is that over the next few months/however long this parliament lasts, the Tories are exposed for the toxic, nasty party they are. Given the makeup of the Commons I'm inclined to think the Brexit disaster may prove to be a poisoned chalice, so hopefully it becomes what the 2008 crash was for Labour.

Originally Posted by Kazanne

This why I don't bother so much now brillo it's like all some are bothered about is scoring points and gloating,do they really care about the country or just getting one up on the opposition voters ,cant take people like that seriously that is no good for the country,

What? The reason I get so angry is precisely because I care about the future of this country, and what the Tories have been and are trying to do to it.

You know, for the past 18 months anyone that has supported Corbyn or indeed the Labour Party has been mocked and berated, the gloating has in fact come from those on the right, and it's still continuing. I have tried civilised debate, I've tried presenting evidence to attempt to justify my positions (I even did so in the other thread but you've ignored it), but all that happens is nobody listens. And the soundbites and the jibes continue. So why should I - or anyone else for that matter - bother being civilised anymore? Serious Debates on this forum is a complete ****heap, so if you can't beat them, join them.

[user104658]

"Only lefties learn stuff! Stoopid lefties and their educations!"

[Crimson Dynamo]

Jack cares about the future of the country

2 weeks ago he gave up on this country



Pretty much sums it all up


Lol

[MTVN]

tbf the number of people who go to university now is vastly greater than the number who went 20, 30 or 40 years ago so those who are educated to degree level today will be disproportionately younger. IMO it's also completely irrelevant and a lack of formal education does not mean someone is less capable of exercising political judgement

Corbyn would say the same I expect as a man who had two E grades at A-level and never went to university

[the truth]

The sheer hypocrisy of labour fans , after their party destroyed the economy and made a right mess of the benefits system and the nhs...strange how they didnt march and criticize when thousands died of abuse and neglect under labours disastrous rule of UK? They all claimed at the time the nhs was perfect and everyone working in it were angels of mercy...anyone who dare criticize from within were bulllied and badgered out of their jobs. 50% of hospital doctors said they felt bullied not to make complaints themselves....labour are a creepy party of staggering double standards and complete hypocrisy

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Jack cares about the future of the country

2 weeks ago he gave up on this country



Pretty much sums it all up


Lol

Firstly, keep my name out of your mouth. I didn't address you, so don't address me.

Secondly, I care about the future of this country, hence why I was so despondent and angry about the direction I thought the electorate were going to take it in. Thankfully I was wrong, though the link between these two things should be pretty obvious, or are you being deliberate obtuse?

Finally, you only returned to the forum in the last few days - so how do you know what I was posting about two weeks ago? Have you been stalking me? I thought you'd given up on this place anyway?

[Withano]

Originally Posted by MTVN

tbf the number of people who go to university now is vastly greater than the number who went 20, 30 or 40 years ago so those who are educated to degree level today will be disproportionately younger. IMO it's also completely irrelevant and a lack of formal education does not mean someone is less capable of exercising political judgement

Corbyn would say the same I expect as a man who had two E grades at A-level and never went to university

There are people from every education level voting for every party, doesnt really make sense to bring individuals into it. Its the clear significant difference which makes an interesting talking point. Thats not to say a person with a degree cant be a tory (some clearly are, the graph shows this) and thats not to say that a person with 0 GCSEs cant be a Corbynite (the graph shows this too). You're right, those with a lesser education can make a formal decision.. but nobody ever suggested otherwise.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Firstly, keep my name out of your mouth. I didn't address you, so don't address me.

Secondly, I care about the future of this country, hence why I was so despondent and angry about the direction I thought the electorate were going to take it in. Thankfully I was wrong, though the link between these two things should be pretty obvious, or are you being deliberate obtuse?

Finally, you only returned to the forum in the last few days - so how do you know what I was posting about two weeks ago? Have you been stalking me? I thought you'd given up on this place anyway?

Not LT accidentally outing himself as a TiBB peeping Tom

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Withano

There are people from every education level voting for every party, doesnt really make sense to bring individuals into it. Its the clear significant difference which makes an interesting talking point. Thats not to say a person with a degree cant be a tory (some clearly are, the graph shows this) and thats not to say that a person with 0 GCSEs cant be a Corbynite (the graph shows this too). You're right, those with a lesser education can make a formal decision.. but nobody ever suggested otherwise.

But my point is that younger people are much more likely to vote Labour and younger people are also much more likely to have a degree because more people now go to University than they used to. Universities also tend to be breeding grounds for left-wing activism and always have been. I brought Corbyn into it because he - like many MPs - did not perform well in the education system yet their political knowledge and ability is probably better than many of the best university graduates.

[JTM45]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Universities also tend to be breeding grounds left-wing activism

aka. 'Educated and well-informed thought and opinions'.

Any party that relies on their followers being in the dark and less well educated/informed is not the sort of party that we should want to encourage.

This is exactly what Trump relied on and unashamedly targetted (''I love the uneducated'' - Trump 2016) and he's already stabbing a lot of those people in the back that he used for votes. The crappy Healthcare system he's trying to force in would leave millions of those people without (and unable to afford) health insurance.

It really is no wonder that May is such a blatant Trumpette fan-girl.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by MTVN

But my point is that younger people are much more likely to vote Labour and younger people are also much more likely to have a degree because more people now go to University than they used to. Universities also tend to be breeding grounds for left-wing activism and always have been. I brought Corbyn into it because he - like many MPs - did not perform well in the education system yet their political knowledge and ability is probably better than many of the best university graduates.

One word - sheep! Whatever happened to thinking as an individual.

Also interesting to note that with free unii fees the majority of people will end up with degrees and they will lose their value.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by JTM45

aka. 'Educated and well-informed thought and opinions'.

Any party that relies on their followers being in the dark and less well educated/informed is not the sort of party that we should want to encourage.

This is exactly what Trump relied on and unashamedly targetted (''I love the uneducated'' - Trump 2016) and he's already stabbing a lot of those people in the back that he used for votes. The crappy Healthcare system he's trying to force in would leave millions of those people without (and unable to afford) health insurance.

It really is no wonder that May is such a blatant Trumpette fan-girl.

How do you know who is educated and who isn't - not stereotyping are we according to how people vote. Not very educated that. Historically it has always been the less educated that voted labour - haven't seen anything change.

[JTM45]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

How do you know who is educated and who isn't - not stereotyping are we according to how people vote. Not very educated that. Historically it was always the less educated that voted labour - haven't seen anything change.

It's not a great idea to make comments when you haven't read/understood the source material.
It can end up making you look a bit silly, as you continually demonstrate so succintly .

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by JTM45

It's not a great idea to make comments when you haven't read/understood the source material.
It can end up making you look a bit silly, as you continually demonstrate so succintly .

No I just didn't make the same wholescale judgements. Cheap stereotyping in my book from supporters of a party who claim to support the underdog and the less advantaged - only when it suits apparently.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

How do you know who is educated and who isn't - not stereotyping are we according to how people vote. Not very educated that. Historically it has always been the less educated that voted labour - haven't seen anything change.

Have you even read the humungous graph I posted in this thread? Or is this another case of someone posting without reading the thread properly?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Have you even read the humungous graph I posted in this thread? Or is this another case of someone posting without reading the thread properly?

Ballot papers are secret. Any graph is estimation and guesswork and reliant on honest responses from Jo Pulic. It is not a valid study that can determine exact figures.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Ballot papers are secret. Any graph is estimation and guesswork and reliant on honest responses from Jo Pulic. It is not a valid study that can determine exact figures.

Well, considering YouGov were one of two polling companies to accurately show the gap between the two parties narrowing, and one that saw their much derided seat project model almost perfectly predict which constituencies would change hands - I'm not sure invalid is a word I'd use to describe the data.

People may have reason to lie to pollsters before they vote, such has been proven, but after? The reason the exit poll in particular is so accurate these days is because very little people have any reason to not be truthful. The same applies here.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

No I just didn't make the same wholescale judgements. Cheap stereotyping in my book .

Originally Posted by Brillopad

One word - sheep! Whatever happened to thinking as an individual.
.

You must make yourself so tired all the time