[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Like I said before some highly intelligent people are being radicalised it's not all drop outs and marginalised young men, open your eyes

Where is the proof that highly intelligent people are being radicalised?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Where is the proof that highly intelligent people are being radicalised?

The Westminster attacker was a teacher for starters

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Cherie

The Westminster attacker was a teacher for starters

Yeah but PE is a subject taught in schools...

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Cherie

The Westminster attacker was a teacher for starters

We were talking about highly intelligent people!

[Beso]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

They are doing an armed raid in Sunbury-on-Thames. Consider my eyebrow well and truly raised. If leafy Surrey has fallen to the terrorists we are all doomed!

Seems like it is the white couples house who opened their doors to the refugees.


We must remember to thank nicola sturgeon for suggesting we all do that, such an insightful woman...sigh

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Seems like it is the white couples house who opened their doors to the refugees.


We must remember to thank nicola sturgeon for suggesting we all do that, such an insightful woman...sigh

Not at all. People who foster children are salaried for doing so and believe me, its very good money. I'm not saying people just do it for the money but they are handsomely rewarded, especially if they take on a lone refugee child. And because my line of work is with refugee children, most of whom end up in children's homes and not in foster care, I can tell you without doubt, that it isn't just white people wanting to foster.

[DemolitionRed]

When Saddam Hussein was gassing the curds, he was assisted by the U.S and yet, when America decided to take Saddam out, shortly after 9/11 they used his gassing of the curds as a reason to topple him. I'm not saying Saddam wasn't a criminal but he was a small criminal compared to the U.S and its allies. I'm not saying the internal conflicts in the Middle East aren't bad but they are not our conflicts or at least they weren't.

When the West want to pillage a country, they use words like, "Axis of Evil" and "For the greater good" and they tell us all that this country is threatening the peace of the world, or we have to go in, in the name of peace. Some of us call bull**** on that. Whenever I hear those formidable words, I think, here we go again. If we really wanted to curb the axis of evil we would have intervened in the South African apartheid and the mass genocide going on in Burma.

I clearly listen to alternative views, views that are only available to us through reading material and popular media. The highly respected Neom Chomskey Snowden and General Wesley Clark who was a four-star general and former supreme allied commander in Europe and who worked in the Whitehouse under President Bush, because they are privy to a lot more information than we are.

Youtube video

[Brillopad]

http://www.politico.eu/article/teena...terror-attack/

Teenager arrested.

[Brillopad]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...est-second-man

Second suspect arrested for attempted terrorism. Now a 21 year old as well as the 18 year old who were both refugees and been in foster care with the same family.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...est-second-man

Second suspect arrested for attempted terrorism. Now a 21 year old as well as the 18 year old who were both refugees and been in foster care with the same family.

This is where it gets odd. Foster care for UK residents can now go on up to the age of 21 but foster care for lone child asylum seekers and those given asylums ends at 18. Are they saying these children are still in foster care?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

This is where it gets odd. Foster care for UK residents can now go on up to the age of 21 but foster care for lone child asylum seekers and those given asylums ends at 18. Are they saying these children are still in foster care?

I'm not sure, but I think they were in foster care with them, maybe the 21 year-old, at least, was one of the many posing as child refugees which we were mug enough to buy into. The crux of the story though is how this country takes them in, gives them a safe place to live and how do they react - they try to kill as many of their people as they can.

I'm sorry but I have no sympathy for them after such a cold blooded act. They should be locked up for the protection of our children.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I'm not sure, but I think they were in foster care with them. The crux of the story though is how this country takes them in, gives them a safe place to live and how do they react - they try to kill as many of their people as they can.

I'm sorry but I have no sympathy for them after such a cold blooded act. They should be locked up for the protection of our children.

Who should be locked up?...the fosterers?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Who should be locked up?...the fosterers?

No, the two terrorists. I know some people will try to defend/excuse their actions because of their backgrounds but, at the end of the day, the safety of our children should be our main concern.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I'm not sure, but I think they were in foster care with them, maybe the 21 year-old, at least, was one of the many posing as child refugees which we were mug enough to buy into. The crux of the story though is how this country takes them in, gives them a safe place to live and how do they react - they try to kill as many of their people as they can.

I'm sorry but I have no sympathy for them after such a cold blooded act. They should be locked up for the protection of our children.

There is a whole system in place to try and work out the real age of a child refugee. Middle Eastern boys often have facial hair from fourteen onwards and tend to look older than their European cousins. When investigations are done to find the real age of a suspected adult, its done by experts who use critical observations. Sometimes someone slips through the net but that net is fairly well woven so its unlikely many get through.

What we mustn't do is fall into a trap of believing all refugee children are suspects. The majority of these kids are going to grow up to be decent human beings. The ones that don't, deserve all they get. Nobody is sympathizing with people who cheated the system to launch a terror campaign.

As for protecting our children; let's not use our kids as an emotional pawn. When it comes to terrorism, no life lost is any less valuable than another. It matters not if you are young, old, British or foreign. We all need protection from terrorism.

[Rob!]

I don't know if it's been mentioned because I can't be bothered trawling through the bickering, but we're back down to severe now

[arista]

Originally Posted by Rob!

I don't know if it's been mentioned because I can't be bothered trawling through the bickering, but we're back down to severe now

Yes Rob
let it all HANG OUT ...........

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Rob!

I don't know if it's been mentioned because I can't be bothered trawling through the bickering, but we're back down to severe now

I really don't think it matters much what level we are on, what level were we on when it happened, probably severe, lets face it nothing happens when we are at critical

[Rob!]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I really don't think it matters much what level we are on, what level were we on when it happened, probably severe, lets face it nothing happens when we are at critical

Very true. Yeah it was severe. And we've been at severe for about five years now I think with the occasional rise to critical after an attack.

[waterhog]

not reassured by the intelligence - they are clueless ! up and down like a yoyo

[Toy Soldier]

"I'm against torture but waterboarding is OK"

TiBB 2017 ladies and gentlemen; a subtle blend of barbarity and mildly amusing stupidity.

[Crimson Dynamo]

If torturing people was very successful its an option but I seem to remember its a crap way to get intel. I think it would be better not to welcome in say middle aged child migrants with open arms or indeed any economic migrant. Maybe try and run immigration logically and not emotionally?

[JTM45]

The really important things and the things that are far more likely to be a danger to them then TS, and the things that will be of real use to them in everyday life in the UK. You sound like a great parent.

Imagine bringing your kids up with an unrealistic, exaggerated and obsessive fear of terrorism and to fear people who aren't like you. Just sad.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by JTM45

The really important things and the things that are far more likely to be a danger to them then TS, and the things that will be of real use to them in everyday life in the UK. You sound like a great parent.

Imagine bringing your kids up with an unrealistic, exaggerated and obsessive fear of terrorism and to fear people who aren't like you. Just sad.

You missed the point entirely and as usual put words in people's mouths to present your interpretation of their words as fact.

You may see the loss of British lives in Britain at the hands of Islamic terrorists as 'collateral damage' I don't. I see it as something that can be reduced if we are more careful about who we let into our country.

That does not mean 'whites only' your implied words, not mine - but people whose backgrounds can be checked and verified as posing no significant risk to our people. People who have skills to offer to our country to help make it prosper. Not anybody who forces their way into our country under false pretences.

[DemolitionRed]

I know ISIS are bad. I know that some Muslims are being radicalized. I know that people have been injured and killed on our own shores. I know I have no power to have an effect on the situation, therefore, I can only go about my business normally.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I know ISIS are bad. I know that some Muslims are being radicalized. I know that people have been injured and killed on our own shores. I know I have no power to have an effect on the situation, therefore, I can only go about my business normally.

yes of course, but surely anyone with any sense would be a little bit more on the alert even while going about your business normally, pretty much like back in the 80s when no one pussyfooted around with the IRA...yes we when about our business but were on alert...?