[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I would have thought it rather silly for a vet, or anyone really to expect a sheep to be afraid of a knife. It might never have seen one before and certainly would never have used one so why would it be aware it's life was in danger? What a bizarre thing for a 'vet' to suggest and I'd have to question the credentials and intelligence of anyone writing such an article.

That's not what I said. The sheep does not see the knife but as its throat was cut, it didn't react. It did however, react to the vets hand in front of its face.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

That's not what I said. The sheep does not see the knife but as its throat was cut, it didn't react. It did however, react to the vets hand in front of its face.

It kind of is what you said. I find it very hard to believe a sheep having it's throat cut didn't react.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by jaxie

It kind of is what you said. I find it very hard to believe a sheep having it's throat cut didn't react.

Well I cleared that up by re-explaining what she said. As for feeling it, that's debatable because many people who have been stabbed claim to of not felt anything more than what they thought was a punch or a slap. https://www.ranker.com/list/what-bei...e/kellen-perry

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Well I cleared that up by re-explaining what she said. As for feeling it, that's debatable because many people who have been stabbed claim to of not felt anything more than what they thought was a punch or a slap. https://www.ranker.com/list/what-bei...e/kellen-perry

Being stabbed and having your throat slit from ear to ear are vastly different

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I would have thought it rather silly for a vet, or anyone really to expect a sheep to be afraid of a knife. It might never have seen one before and certainly would never have used one so why would it be aware it's life was in danger? What a bizarre thing for a 'vet' to suggest and I'd have to question the credentials and intelligence of anyone writing such an article. That doesn't mean it would be any less unpleasant or distressing to be stabbed in the neck with a knife and left to bleed to death.

Not being an expert I can't claim to know for sure the thoughts and opinions of a sheep (aside from the obvious that the sheep is unlikely to have come across many knives in the grass) nor effects of tasers or stunning but would have thought and hoped this rendered the poor animal unconscious rather than just paralysed so that there wasn't an awareness at point of death. That is certainly what the word stun seems to suggest to me. It definitely sounds much kinder than bleeding to death for the sake of an archaic ritual which makes no real difference to the actual meat ingested.

And I can't see anyone has produced any evidence to suggest an animal slaughtered in religious ceremony is kept during it's life any more kindly than any other farm animal.

[Kizzy]

I love the rosy picture painted of the clean clinical process painted by the advocates of stunning used in our 'traditional' abattoirs. Ignore the exposes into how they ignore even basic animal welfare standards, the fact they can see, hear, smell the fear as they are literally herded towards the stun/bolt.
Ask yourselves if it is so effective why are there guidelines on the best practice for signs of consciousnesses?

At the moment there are differing rules for different animals, horses can't be killed in sight of another horse, pigs can be gassed I'm assuming this is due to them being classed as more sentient?... that looks about to change though and they will soon be as inhumanely disposed of as everything else.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a8023826.html

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/red-meat...illing-animals
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/...-a8025656.html

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I love the rosy picture painted of the clean clinical process painted by the advocates of stunning used in our 'traditional' abattoirs. Ignore the exposes into how they ignore even basic animal welfare standards, the fact they can see, hear, smell the fear as they are literally herded towards the stun/bolt.
Ask yourselves if it is so effective why are there guidelines on the best practice for signs of consciousnesses?

At the moment there are differing rules for different animals, horses can't be killed in sight of another horse, pigs can be gassed I'm assuming this is due to them being classed as more sentient?... that looks about to change though and they will soon be as inhumanely disposed of as everything else.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a8023826.html

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/red-meat...illing-animals
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/...-a8025656.html

No one is painting a Rosy picture. Some are just saying anything that decreases suffering is better. I can live with the closure of all abbatoir. I can't quite believe people are happily promoting throat cutting and letting animals bleed to death. Go figure.

[Tom4784]

Being slaughtered for meat is gruesome no matter how you do it, it's just that the original method is easier on our conscience while there's no proof that either method is better for the animal.

A good lifestyle is way more important than a good death because, at a slaughterhouse, there are no good deaths but we can do our best to make sure the animals are cared for and happy before that.

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Being slaughtered for meat is gruesome no matter how you do it, it's just that the original method is easier on our conscience while there's no proof that either method is better for the animal.

A good lifestyle is way more important than a good death because, at a slaughterhouse, there are no good deaths but we can do our best to make sure the animals are cared for and happy before that.

Totally agree.
It's very important that my eggs and meat come from an animal that has had a happy life.

[Tozzie]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...halal-row.html

I support the ban. Britain is generally considered a nation of animal lovers, I know I am, and should not put aside its ideals to appease the religious views of minority groups. We should never bow down to such pressure.

There are always other options for those that don’t want to either eat any meat or eat meat that hasn’t been slaughtered in a certain way. To expect the nation as a whole to accept such cruelty when it generally goes against their own beliefs is unacceptable. Animals have rights too.

I know there will be the usual cries about killing any animals for food is wrong but at least we try to do so in a humane way. We should not abandon that to satisfy the few. I also abhor any sports that cause suffering to animals and would personally ban them so that argument is not applicable here.

I most definately support the ban and if I had my way animals wouldn't be eaten. I hate the idea that humans kill for food when there is so much other types of food for us to eat such as:
Fresh fruits and vegetables.
Grains. Whole grain bread.
Nuts, Peanuts and Seeds
Soy Foods.
Beans, Peas and Lentils
Dairy Products and Eggs.

[waterhog]

glad you lot are not near the vein ?

[Beso]

Talking pigs...whatever next.

[Beso]

If you want to see how long an animal takes to die after having its throat slit do a search for halal camels..

[Niamh.]

Deleted a post, if people want to watch videos of animals being killed they can google themselves.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Deleted a post, if people want to watch videos of animals being killed they can google themselves.

Sad..very very sad...dont bother moaning at me for evidence ever again.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Sad..very very sad...dont bother moaning at me for evidence ever again.

I don't believe I ever have to be honest. Graphic videos/links to graphic videos have always been deleted

[Vicky.]

I would be happy with culling badgers and foxes by throat slitting tbh (I don't actually understand the need for culling at all, but accept that it legally goes on), rather than the methods we currently use. They die either way, so rather they are killed by the least painful method thats available.

I didn't realise it was legal to just kill stray cats..nor am I aware that culling cats is needed in this country...so can't comment on that or the methods currently used. But if they are barbaric (arguably the culling itself is barbaric. But again I don't fully understand the reasons for culling animals anyway) and painful, then yes, cutting their throats would be preferable.

Any animal that is deemed to have to be killed, I would go for the least painful method possible.

At this stage you may maybe bring up putting pets down in vets and how we should maybe be throat slitting for that (given you seem to equate killing an animal for food/good reason, with killing an animal for fun, and appear to maybe think if a psycho wanted to kill a cat, they should do it by stungun and bolt?). Except, that the current methods are mostly painfree anyway as far as I am aware. So no need to change them to add blood to the mix


This thead has actually made me think of things I would never have thought of before. I am now wondering if, rather than electric chair or lethal injection...it may be better to slit the throats of those who have been given the death penalty. Though, I imagine the families of the victims may want as much pain as possible to be felt, rather than just the death. Seeing the blood may help them feel they got vengeance or something though. Officials would probably never go for it. Too messy...and too quick. Tibb really makes me think of odd things at times

[Beso]

Im sure a video showing each method if death would clear up all this confusion..unfortunatly we dont get treated as mature adults and are stopped from posting video evidence.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Im sure a video showing each method if death would clear up all this confusion..unfortunatly we dont get treated as mature adults and are stopped from posting video evidence.

I personally wouldn't want to look at that.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I personally wouldn't want to look at that.

You dont have to..the videos links could state what was shown in them leaving it up to the individual to choose for thenselves rather than have some nanny state minded moderator decide for us.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

You dont have to..the videos links could state what was shown in them leaving it up to the individual to choose for thenselves rather than have some nanny state minded moderator decide for us.

This forum is 13+, we have a swear filter so how on earth you think graphic videos like that would be allowed is beyond me :/

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

This forum is 13+, we have a swear filter so how on earth you think graphic videos like that would be allowed is beyond me :/

Its real life, and happens everyday in every city of the uk...

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

This forum is 13+, we have a swear filter so how on earth you think graphic videos like that would be allowed is beyond me :/

Its real life, and happens everyday in every city of the uk...

[user104658]

On the topic of videos though, the WORST animal slaughter video I've ever seen was of pigs being gassed with CO2.

That's one of the most commonly used "nice" Western slaughter methods used for pigs. They screech in terror and climb over each other, at first, slowly dwindling to a guttural rasping sound as they gasp their last few breaths. Horrendous.

[Niamh.]

tbf Cherie I think Vicky was the only one using that as an argument, most people are saying that killing animals in a slaughter house is going to be bad no matter what