[Ashley.]

Originally Posted by Sticks

I used to know a wife of an evangelist who would take issue with you on that.

She had absolutely no sympathy for women who complained about sexual harassment from men, because these women were wearing sexually provocative and enticing clothing. Her rebuff to these women was "If you are not selling, don't advertise"

This gets back to my analogy of the house holder, are you saying that people should be allowed to go out, leave their doors and windows unlocked, and not expect to be robbed by any passing thief. Of course householders don't do that, when we go out, we make sure windows and doors are locked, and those of us with them set burglar alarms. We take precautions because we live in a fallen world.

I thought feminism was about women taking more control of their lives, so they should take control of what they wear, taking into account that some men are uncouth and hedonistic. Surely this is the equivalent of locking a front door, again it is not rocket science.

Why do we need to waste valuable parliamentary time, when women have the ability to prevent this antisocial activity by adjusting what they wear? We need all the parliamentary time there is to sort out Brexit...

What exactly are you annoyed about? That your "right" to peer up a non-consenting woman's skirt has the potential of being taken away from you? Poor you. Meanwhile, woman are being made to feel uncomfortable on a day-to-day basis because of men who aren't getting any back at home.

[Sticks]

Originally Posted by Ashley.

What exactly are you annoyed about? That your "right" to peer up a non-consenting woman's skirt has the potential of being taken away from you? Poor you. Meanwhile, woman are being made to feel uncomfortable on a day-to-day basis because of men who aren't getting any back at home.

Ashley
That is close to libel, I have no wish to engage in such an obnoxious activity. Do not ascribe to me motives you think I have for not jumping on a favoured bandwagon and putting forward an alternative viewpoint.

This is tantamount to mud slinging, which is never appropriate in a debate.

Dezzy

I cite that lady I mentioned, because it was a counter argument to the Jodie Foster film - The Accused argument, which you are citing, and it did not come from a man as one might expect. It was a women commenting on other women and how they need to take some responsibility over how they prevent unwanted attention from certain reprobate men instead of playing the victim.

You complain of a lack of a line of condemnation of this antisocial activity, I thought when I said "taking into account that some men are uncouth and hedonistic." would have covered it. I am referring to such men in a negative light with condemnatory words, such as uncouth and hedonistic. By use of such language it should be obvious that I was not endorsing such actions by those individuals.

If that was too subtle, then of course I condemn those who do this antisocial and [insert descriptive word of your choice] activity.

I would not be an apologist for such deviants and have not been so. I have spoken in the defence of the actions of a solitary MP who is opposed to knee-jerk legislation being rushed through the House on the QT without proper debate or scrutiny, which is undemocratic.

Returning to women wearing trousers, I find it strange that I am castigated for recommending that, especially as in the early days of feminism women were criticised and condemned for wanting to wear trousers instead of skirts or dresses. If you take a walk down any high street in any city, you will notice that most women now wear trousers or some form of leggins. So many women are taking action, which either , intentionally or unintentionally, will thwart those deviants who wish to engage in upskirting

On another tack, it is known that some women go to self defence classes so they know how to protect themselves should a man try to indecently assault them. Should we advise them not to go for such training as it is victim blaming?
Is it victim blaming when a crime prevention officer advises women what to do if they need to go out after dark to try and stay safe

Again is it victim blaming to advise people to lock their doors when they go out or at night because we are not dealing with the thieves who break in?

There has been an issue over the years where knee-jerk legislation gets rammed through the House and it causes problems down the line. The best example of such was the Dangerous Dogs Act.

[MTVN]

The Cyber Devils Advocate is out of retirement

[Maru]

It shouldn't be legal if the photo is taken and distributed without consent showing undergarments, etc. That should be fairly easy to write imo? We live in an increasingly high tech society...Someday it could be possible to match normal photos with our body parts if they can detect unique markers (probably with AI), so might want to get those laws updated while we're on it.

[arista]

Next date for it to go again, in Parliament
has been reported as Friday 6th of July.

[bots]

There is a far bigger problem of course. People just shouldn't take pictures of anyone without proper authorisation. How many weirdos take photos of children .... nothing is done. How many people take photos of drunken colleagues and think its fun to share them for others amusement. While the upskirts thing could be seen as a greater invasion of privacy, all these instances are invasion of privacy.

After looking at things in more detail. It appears that many laws are sneaked through late on a Friday afternoon when the majority of MP's have disappeared off home for the weekend and there are very few participating in debate and voting. In this respect, the guy is absolutely right to bring attention to the issue. MP's are there to represent us, and should be in attendance when laws are being debated and voted on. That to me is the greater issue, and it is shameful that they don't do the job they were entrusted to do on behalf of the people they represent.

[Sticks]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

There is a far bigger problem of course. People just shouldn't take pictures of anyone without proper authorisation. How many weirdos take photos of children .... nothing is done. How many people take photos of drunken colleagues and think its fun to share them for others amusement. While the upskirts thing could be seen as a greater invasion of privacy, all these instances are invasion of privacy.

That is not what the law says. A photographer is entitled to take pictures of anyone in a public place without need for permissions. (Rules about private property may differ). The problem with the suggestion here is what do you do when you are taking pictures of street scenes, like a crowded high street in London, or at a football match where sports reporters work. Some would have you requiring written permission from anyone in shot, of a street scene on a public road.

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

After looking at things in more detail. It appears that many laws are sneaked through late on a Friday afternoon when the majority of MP's have disappeared off home for the weekend and there are very few participating in debate and voting. In this respect, the guy is absolutely right to bring attention to the issue. MP's are there to represent us, and should be in attendance when laws are being debated and voted on. That to me is the greater issue, and it is shameful that they don't do the job they were entrusted to do on behalf of the people they represent.

Also there are some laws that should not be allowed to be passed, no matter what the hue and cry "that something must be done" (Remember the Dangerous Dogs Act?)

There are remedies already, Voyeurism and outraging public decency, so there is no reason whatsoever for a new law, especially when women have an answer, wear trousers, just like men do (So don't complain about it is too hot to wear them, as men wear trousers and don't whine on like that!!!)

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

There is a far bigger problem of course. People just shouldn't take pictures of anyone without proper authorisation. How many weirdos take photos of children .... nothing is done. How many people take photos of drunken colleagues and think its fun to share them for others amusement. While the upskirts thing could be seen as a greater invasion of privacy, all these instances are invasion of privacy.

After looking at things in more detail. It appears that many laws are sneaked through late on a Friday afternoon when the majority of MP's have disappeared off home for the weekend and there are very few participating in debate and voting. In this respect, the guy is absolutely right to bring attention to the issue. MP's are there to represent us, and should be in attendance when laws are being debated and voted on. That to me is the greater issue, and it is shameful that they don't do the job they were entrusted to do on behalf of the people they represent.

Tbf if you're an MP in places like Scotland, North Wales or Cornwall then you're looking at several hours journey to London. A lot of MPs need to be back in their constituencies for surgeries etc on Saturdays so would need to have left by Friday afternoon. Plus voting in the Commons is only a small part of being an MP really

[jaxie]

Everyone has the right to go out in public without having their privacy and personal space invaded regardless of what they are wearing.

Even if they were naked no one has the right to touch or photo them intimately.

Any man taking a photo up a woman's skirt without permission is a pervert and deseves punishment and should go onto the sex offenders register.

[Livia]

LOL Bots... exactly.

I can never understand why the Conservative Party allow people like this to continue to stand. This man is undermining parliamentary procedure and bringing the party into disrepute. Surely that's enough to kick him out and make way for a by election. It's a disgrace that ridiculous dinosaurs should be allowed to represent people.

[Beso]

Can i just point out that this law camw into effect in scotland because of old perverted women.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Can i just point out that this law camw into effect in scotland because of old perverted women.

Without wishing to sound sexist, Parm... at least I can see why someone would want an upskirt shot of a woman. An upskirt shot of a man in a kilt just doesn't bear thinking about. Who'd want that shot? Hanging there like the last turkey in the shop...

[bots]

Originally Posted by Livia

Without wishing to sound sexist, Parm... at least I can see why someone would want an upskirt shot of a woman. An upskirt shot of a man in a kilt just doesn't bear thinking about. Who'd want that shot? Hanging there like the last turkey in the shop...

i never go out without a bow tie on

[Livia]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i never go out without a bow tie on

A bow tie on? On WHAT??

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Livia

Without wishing to sound sexist, Parm... at least I can see why someone would want an upskirt shot of a woman. An upskirt shot of a man in a kilt just doesn't bear thinking about. Who'd want that shot? Hanging there like the last turkey in the shop...

Dont forget the brussel sprouts.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Dont forget the brussel sprouts.

i love brussel sprouts, first as a child i disliked them but now i love them

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Livia

Without wishing to sound sexist, Parm... at least I can see why someone would want an upskirt shot of a woman. An upskirt shot of a man in a kilt just doesn't bear thinking about. Who'd want that shot? Hanging there like the last turkey in the shop...

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Livia

Without wishing to sound sexist, Parm... at least I can see why someone would want an upskirt shot of a woman. An upskirt shot of a man in a kilt just doesn't bear thinking about. Who'd want that shot? Hanging there like the last turkey in the shop...

I think you might have just put turkey off my menu for the foreseeable future!

[Beso]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I think you might have just put turkey off my menu for the foreseeable future!

Shes certainly stopped me admiring mine so much.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Shes certainly stopped me admiring mine so much.

omg lmao

[Alf]

Does this mean the upskirting world championships is gonna get cancelled? All that practice for nothing.

[arista]

The PM is saying she will bring into Law.

[Underscore]

Originally Posted by arista

The PM is saying she will bring into Law.

I am glad that all of the Tory MPs are rallying against him.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Underscore

I am glad that all of the Tory MPs are rallying against him.

[Alf]

This is bad news for Sunday Sport readers. No more celebrity upskirts, which pretty much makes Sam Heuston redundent.


No more headlines saying "See her clacker, it's a cracker"