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ChristmasNeeve · 09-01-2019, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

isnt it the case that they have non firing electrics in a part of the brain that would allow them to see that there will be better days?

I don't know, is that right? Is that a new study on depression and if so, is it one that could help cure or treat depression more effectively?

Scoot · 09-01-2019, 12:37 PM

So basically we shouldn’t give a toss about people who call out for help? What a ****ed mindset

Scoot · 09-01-2019, 12:48 PM

Yes let’s worry about the people we don’t know are suffering.

(If they let us know immediately drop kick them though, attention seeking brats)

Livia · 09-01-2019, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Scoot

Yes let’s worry about the people we don’t know are suffering.

(If they let us know immediately drop kick them though, attention seeking brats)

What a strange thing to take away from what I said. But hey... you can turn yourself inside out with worry over this woman. Knock yourself out.

Scoot · 09-01-2019, 12:52 PM

Like I’m really struggling with the circular logic here.

Your ‘concern’ is for those who don’t speak out, but if they do they’re just wanting attention, they have to do it in private, so that you don’t have to hear about it?

So basically you only care unless someone asks you to care?

Livia · 09-01-2019, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Scoot

Like I’m really struggling with the circular logic here.

Your ‘concern’ is for those who don’t speak out, but if they do they’re just wanting attention, they have to do it in private, so that you don’t have to hear about it?

So basically you only care unless someone asks you to care?

Are you talking to me?

I care about people who are depressed, particularly those who are suicidal; I hope they can approach someone... and there are lots of organisations out there who will help.

I do not care about minor celebrities taking to social media to announce to everyone they're going to kill themselves.

Tom4784 · 09-01-2019, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia

Are you talking to me?

I care about people who are depressed, particularly those who are suicidal; I hope they can approach someone... and there are lots of organisations out there who will help.

I do not care about minor celebrities taking to social media to announce to everyone they're going to kill themselves.

That 'minor celebrity' can do more for prevention by reaching out than you ever could do by shaming her for doing so.

Your whole point of view is just so hypocritical at a fundamental level that I'm surprised that even you can't see the hole you're digging. If you cared about preventing suicide, you wouldn't shame ANYONE for reaching out because you would know how important it is to encourage people to do so however they can. The fact that you seem hung up on the fact that she is a celebrity and that somehow diminishes her struggle is just.... Wow.

You can't pretend to care as you say you do and then rubbish someone when they come forward because they didn't do it in a way you thought was correct.

Nicky91 · 09-01-2019, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia

Are you talking to me?

I care about people who are depressed, particularly those who are suicidal; I hope they can approach someone... and there are lots of organisations out there who will help.

I do not care about minor celebrities taking to social media to announce to everyone they're going to kill themselves.

like why would they even announce it on social media, this shows it was clearly just to get as much attention as she wants

those who are really depressed, really suicidal don't go announcing this on social media

ChristmasNeeve · 09-01-2019, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Nicky91

like why would they even announce it on social media, this shows it was clearly just to get as much attention as she wants

those who are really depressed, really suicidal don't go announcing this on social media

You have no way of knowing that. People are individuals, some people in relationships give a running commentary on all their problems on FB, it wouldn't be what i would do but it doesn't mean they're not really in a relationship, does it?

Nicky91 · 09-01-2019, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh.

You have no way of knowing that. People are individuals, some people in relationships give a running commentary on all their problems on FB, it wouldn't be what i would do but it doesn't mean they're not really in a relationship, does it?

ok fair enough, i cannot know this from other people

but honestly this was just my own opinion about it, depressions should be in your private life, and only discussed about with psychologists, people who want to help you, and can help you

of course if other people think differently about this ok, everyone has the right of their own opinion

Scoot · 09-01-2019, 12:59 PM

Even if that’s their method of approaching someone? You seem to have a very strict criteria on what constitutes the proper way of speaking out.

No one’s turning themselves inside out over her except those closest to her. Showing concern for a human being who is struggling is not ‘faux’ or any other adjective you want to throw on there.

What is odd and disturbing is you seemingly taking such offence and condemning her just because she is well known.

Livia · 09-01-2019, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Scoot

Even if that’s their method of approaching someone? You seem to have a very strict criteria on what constitutes the proper way of speaking out.

No one’s turning themselves inside out over her except those closest to her. Showing concern for a human being who is struggling is not ‘faux’ or any other adjective you want to throw on there.

What is odd and disturbing is you seemingly taking such offence and condemning her just because she is well known.

This is a forum where people write their opinions. If you find me odd and disturbing put me on ignore.

I am not writing mental health legislation. I've explained how I feel about this story in a variety of ways. I think that's enough.

Scoot · 09-01-2019, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia

This is a forum where people write their opinions. If you find me odd and disturbing put me on ignore.

I mean, likewise.

If your concern is more global than this like you claim then you shouldn’t be wasting your energy on repeating your same opinion over and over, adding naught to discussion, on something you consider so minor.

ChristmasNeeve · 09-01-2019, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Scoot

Even if that’s their method of approaching someone? You seem to have a very strict criteria on what constitutes the proper way of speaking out.

No one’s turning themselves inside out over her except those closest to her. Showing concern for a human being who is struggling is not ‘faux’ or any other adjective you want to throw on there.

What is odd and disturbing is you seemingly taking such offence and condemning her just because she is well known.

I could imagine those who are well known may have a cloudier view of who is and isn't a friend or who to turn to, especially in this age of social media too. I don't envy famous people at all

Scoot · 09-01-2019, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh.

I could imagine those who are well known may have a cloudier view of who is and isn't a friend or who to turn to, especially in this age of social media too. I don't envy famous people at all

Indeed, I can imagine it would be hard sometimes to dissect the real from the fake. Perhaps this was what she saw as the only way to reach someone who would care?

Shaun · 09-01-2019, 02:54 PM

I don't really understand the logic behind calling her out for something like this and then protesting that you "don't care about minor celebrities putting out tweets for attention". Why post then

It's messy and dramatic and could, sure, be construed as a "cry for attention" but then isn't that exactly what suicidal thoughts are by definition? A call for help, a need for support and friendship and a sign that people actually care about you?

When I experienced suicidal thoughts it was admittedly for something completely different to what she is probably going through (for me it was guilt, disgust with myself, etc.) and whilst I wouldn't dream of trying to articulate how she's feeling, the sheer variety of different issues and thoughts and fears a suicidal person can experience can only naturally express themselves in different ways. If someone tweeting they're going to do it, that bluntly, makes you roll your eyes... then maybe you're just not that compassionate and have a very low threshold for patience.

Marsh. · 09-01-2019, 03:26 PM

I will say, I could just about see a situation whereby someone tweets out something in a moment of madness. But going to the trouble of screenshotting it to then add it onto another social media account is completely odd to me and slightly more calculated.

But I have very low tolerance for stuff like twitter anyway.

Scoot · 09-01-2019, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Marsh.

I will say, I could just about see a situation whereby someone tweets out something in a moment of madness. But going to the trouble of screenshotting it to then add it onto another social media account is completely odd to me and slightly more calculated.

But I have very low tolerance for stuff like twitter anyway.

I see what you’re saying but at the same time it’s no less calculated than any other kind of cry for help or even a note, just perhaps a more modern method of distribution.

Marsh. · 09-01-2019, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Scoot

I see what you’re saying but at the same time it’s no less calculated than any other kind of cry for help or even a note, just perhaps a more modern method of distribution.

For me, it is different. Tweeting a message at a low moment is one thing, maybe a cry for help akin to texting a friend. Screenshotting and getting that message on each of your social media accounts is a little more of a calculated seek of mass attention.

Maybe she saw how much attention Demi Lovato got I don't know.

Scoot · 09-01-2019, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Marsh.

For me, it is different. Tweeting a message at a low moment is one thing, maybe a cry for help akin to texting a friend. Screenshotting and getting that message on each of your social media accounts is a little more of a calculated seek of mass attention.

Maybe she saw how much attention Demi Lovato got I don't know.

Calculated or not, surely the attention is a good thing if it stopped her killing herself.

For all we know she genuinely thought no one would care if she posted it.

arista · 09-01-2019, 03:31 PM

"It's messy and dramatic and could, sure, be construed as a "cry for attention" but then isn't that exactly what suicidal thoughts are by definition?
A call for help, a need for support and friendship and a sign that people actually care about you? "

Sure Shaun
but who the feck is she?